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Dec 28, 2023 19:17:29   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
I look at it this way. How many folks would buy a name-brand drug when there is an approved generic version available at a fraction of the price?

Maybe the same people who only buy OEM replacement stuff for their cars?

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Dec 28, 2023 19:53:42   #
kpmac Loc: Ragley, La
 
Great rant!

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Dec 28, 2023 20:36:28   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
To be fair, sometimes people ask for recommendations for equipment and don't specify a budget.

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Dec 28, 2023 20:37:48   #
rcarol
 
kpmac wrote:
Great rant!


You consider this a rant rather than an informative discussion about how members feel about being put down if they choose not to buy OEM?

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Dec 28, 2023 20:40:17   #
Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
 
When someone comments that the quality of the camera and the lens makes a significant contribution to the quality of the image, I reply "If only Van Gogh or Picasso had better brushes".

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Dec 28, 2023 20:58:31   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Well the jewelry is the same as the Leica system as Leica are jewelry too. The Iphone loses value a lot faster than the Leica system. Poor choice in my opinion.


iPhone value is usage. I kept my last one for almost seven years. I used it every day, multiple times a day. I consider that a good value. A Leica would sit in a glass case at my house, with the box behind it. I’d rather have a Lumix with the L-Mount. I don’t need a collectible.

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Dec 28, 2023 23:41:41   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
Bridges wrote:
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. People without understanding the economies of other members, throw out recommendations about buying like they are the ultimate authority on a subject, or right out boast like they think others are stupid for not buying the best on the market. Some people skimp whenever they can due to their financial situation. Obviously, you can't buy a generic Nikon, Canon, Sony, or Olympus body so while someone may have funds for that, they may need to skimp elsewhere. Someone in another post actually said they would not buy a non-OEM battery because it might be made in a foreign country! Guess what -- your OEM batteries are made in a foreign country! Other answers berate members for buying 3rd party items like battery grips. Hey, maybe they don't need the grip that can fall off a 100 ft. cliff and survive, maybe they just like a grip that affords a better hold when using the camera in a vertical orientation. Someone else said they would only buy HP cartridges -- I have an answer for that -- professional equipment like printers using eight or more cartridges notwithstanding, if you own a printer that you paid a couple of hundred dollars for, you didn't buy a printer, you bought into a very expensive ink program. Those lower-priced printers are so cheap because when you buy one, HP, Canon, or any others the manufacturer has you by the balls! You will be paying through the nose for your ink. Epson, and now Canon and HP have printers that use tanks which are easy to fill and cost a fraction of what cartridges do. Another possibility is that when it comes to batteries who knows who makes them? There may only be two plants in Japan/China/Taiwan that make all of them and just put different names on them. Look at the round head flash from Neewer, Bolt, and Godox they are all the same unit, just a name change. When someone asks for advice, it would be nice to see people respond with their recommendations and not put others down for things like not using OEM equipment. I would bet 75% of people here who act like people are stupid for not spending the extra bucks for a Nikon/Canon/Sony battery, use a flash that is not OEM. I work part-time at Sam's Club and I've had people tell me they would only buy Everyready Batteries over the store brand. Guess what -- they are the same battery! They don't understand marketing -- they can't believe Everyready would sell us batteries that would undercut the name brand. I explain that most big retailers will have an inhouse brand and Eveyready knows if they don't sell us a generic, someone else would! This way they get all the business. Ever see two gas stations owned by the same company across the street from each other -- it's about limiting competition. While I understand some of the group has the money to buy top-drawer on all their equipment, I think putting others down (and that is what you are doing when you state I would only buy xxx) is insensitive and is an opinion you should keep to yourselves. When I was 15, I worked in a manufacturing jewelry shop. We sold Rolex watches both 14 kt. and gold plated. They looked identical so one day I asked Mr. Hays (the owner) why anyone would spend 1200 or more for a Rolex when they could have an identical watch in gold plate for a third of the price. I said no one would know the difference. Mr. Hays looked me in the eye and said, "Oh, but the owner would know". That has stuck with me for the last 58 years and I have tried to live life in a way so as not to flaunt what I have but to just respect my good fortune when something good comes my way. So UHHers, lighten up. Respect each other, give recommendations when asked, and don't come down on others for their choices. (If you are wondering about the cheap prices for Rolex Watches -- while I worked at the jewelry shop the US went off the gold standard. One day gold was 37.00 an ounce, the next day it was like 387.00 an ounce!)
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. P... (show quote)


Fantastic words of wisdom for the select commenters who needed that. Very well said and I agree 125%. Thank you for posting what I have thought more than several times.

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Dec 29, 2023 04:06:54   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
When I was much younger, one of my jobs was to deliver pallets to a Union Carbide battery plant. One day after pallets had been off-loaded, I was talking with one of the employees about a Consumer Report piece saying that I had read that Union Carbide was one of the best rated. The guy I was talking with asked how some off brand battery (maybe K-Mart) was ranked. I said that they were "down there a ways". To this he said "Ah, hell, we run Union Carbides on the line, and when we get our quota of them, we shut line down and replace the "skins" (the metal coverings) and fire the line back up. Its the same damn battery" That"s what the fellow said back then. I didn't investigate the veracity of his remark. Nor do I know if it the same holds true today.s

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Dec 29, 2023 05:45:04   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
RodeoMan wrote:
When I was much younger, one of my jobs was to deliver pallets to a Union Carbide battery plant. One day after pallets had been off-loaded, I was talking with one of the employees about a Consumer Report piece saying that I had read that Union Carbide was one of the best rated. The guy I was talking with asked how some off brand battery (maybe K-Mart) was ranked. I said that they were "down there a ways". To this he said "Ah, hell, we run Union Carbides on the line, and when we get our quota of them, we shut line down and replace the "skins" (the metal coverings) and fire the line back up. Its the same damn battery" That"s what the fellow said back then. I didn't investigate the veracity of his remark. Nor do I know if it the same holds true today.s
When I was much younger, one of my jobs was to del... (show quote)


As far as I know, only two batteries are made in the US (household batteries) -- Everyready and Duracell. Look on the packaging and see where they are made. If in the US, you know you will be getting a good battery because both brands made here in the US are good batteries. If it reads China or other foreign countries, it could run from good to bad. Some imports like Panasonic are good while others have been shown in tests to be garbage.

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Dec 29, 2023 06:05:47   #
markeisenbeil Loc: Deer Lodge, Montana
 
Bridges wrote:
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. People without understanding the economies of other members, throw out recommendations about buying like they are the ultimate authority on a subject, or right out boast like they think others are stupid for not buying the best on the market. Some people skimp whenever they can due to their financial situation. Obviously, you can't buy a generic Nikon, Canon, Sony, or Olympus body so while someone may have funds for that, they may need to skimp elsewhere. Someone in another post actually said they would not buy a non-OEM battery because it might be made in a foreign country! Guess what -- your OEM batteries are made in a foreign country! Other answers berate members for buying 3rd party items like battery grips. Hey, maybe they don't need the grip that can fall off a 100 ft. cliff and survive, maybe they just like a grip that affords a better hold when using the camera in a vertical orientation. Someone else said they would only buy HP cartridges -- I have an answer for that -- professional equipment like printers using eight or more cartridges notwithstanding, if you own a printer that you paid a couple of hundred dollars for, you didn't buy a printer, you bought into a very expensive ink program. Those lower-priced printers are so cheap because when you buy one, HP, Canon, or any others the manufacturer has you by the balls! You will be paying through the nose for your ink. Epson, and now Canon and HP have printers that use tanks which are easy to fill and cost a fraction of what cartridges do. Another possibility is that when it comes to batteries who knows who makes them? There may only be two plants in Japan/China/Taiwan that make all of them and just put different names on them. Look at the round head flash from Neewer, Bolt, and Godox they are all the same unit, just a name change. When someone asks for advice, it would be nice to see people respond with their recommendations and not put others down for things like not using OEM equipment. I would bet 75% of people here who act like people are stupid for not spending the extra bucks for a Nikon/Canon/Sony battery, use a flash that is not OEM. I work part-time at Sam's Club and I've had people tell me they would only buy Everyready Batteries over the store brand. Guess what -- they are the same battery! They don't understand marketing -- they can't believe Everyready would sell us batteries that would undercut the name brand. I explain that most big retailers will have an inhouse brand and Eveyready knows if they don't sell us a generic, someone else would! This way they get all the business. Ever see two gas stations owned by the same company across the street from each other -- it's about limiting competition. While I understand some of the group has the money to buy top-drawer on all their equipment, I think putting others down (and that is what you are doing when you state I would only buy xxx) is insensitive and is an opinion you should keep to yourselves. When I was 15, I worked in a manufacturing jewelry shop. We sold Rolex watches both 14 kt. and gold plated. They looked identical so one day I asked Mr. Hays (the owner) why anyone would spend 1200 or more for a Rolex when they could have an identical watch in gold plate for a third of the price. I said no one would know the difference. Mr. Hays looked me in the eye and said, "Oh, but the owner would know". That has stuck with me for the last 58 years and I have tried to live life in a way so as not to flaunt what I have but to just respect my good fortune when something good comes my way. So UHHers, lighten up. Respect each other, give recommendations when asked, and don't come down on others for their choices. (If you are wondering about the cheap prices for Rolex Watches -- while I worked at the jewelry shop the US went off the gold standard. One day gold was 37.00 an ounce, the next day it was like 387.00 an ounce!)
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. P... (show quote)



Wow! That was quite a lot to read and very well said, Bridges.

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Dec 29, 2023 06:08:24   #
Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa
 
Years ago a friend of mine was commissioned to make a short video for a flour companies AGM showing their flour being bagged. Not too many people perhaps know that, in the U.K. at least, flour is bagged by wrapping the paper that makes the bag round a non-stop flow of flour coming from a tube. She was told she would have to wait around 30 minutes during which the bagging of other companies flour took place. After 30 minutes the pre-printed paper of the company that commissioned her started to come through and bag the same flour that continued to flow, without stopping from the same tube.
This information prompted me to check the cost of various brands of flour in various supermarkets. They were all priced differently, but the flour sold by her company was by far the most expensive, clearly because their name was more highly rated.

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Dec 29, 2023 06:09:59   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
So, no more talking about how great Nikon's 500mm lens is, then. Just zooms?

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Dec 29, 2023 06:34:25   #
joehel2 Loc: Cherry Hill, NJ
 
Very well said, Mike. Good thoughts and practice to carry into 2024.

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Dec 29, 2023 06:41:19   #
Tdearing Loc: Rockport, TX
 
Well said, you're a credit to the Hogs!

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Dec 29, 2023 06:45:20   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
RiJoRi wrote:
Ya mean, "T'ain't the violin, it's the violinist"?
People who put down others on the basis of what equipment the others have say a heck of a lot more about their own inadequacies than anything else. And in time, nobody will care that you shot a picture with a Freakyflex 2000, f/13.734, at 1/2456" using a 2332 mm lens! They'll say, "What a good picture!" (or "Yuck!")

'nough said!
--Rich



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