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Dec 28, 2023 17:02:55   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:
Like 90+% of the time an OTS computer with ample memory will meet one's needs,
but so many people say pay more and get the best. Oh, and add a GREAT graphics card.......
Because that's what THEY would get!

Real easy to spend other people's money.
Been buying OTS computers for YEARS, I never had a performance problem.

My Vello battery grip is fantastic also!


I choose to buy a new camera body every 7-8 years. I buy used lenses, tripods and other camera gear from dealers offering good six month warranties and decent exchange policies. I buy refurbished Macs, also "off the shelf" models. They are the exact same computers with the same warranties as new.

There is no shame in saving money. I like it when I make more on my investments by not spending them. My car is a 2010 in great shape that I'll keep as long as I can. Cars are black holes in the road, and boats are drains in the lake. Both suck cash.

One key to efficient use of funds is product research. If you learn enough about what sort of things you want to buy, you can avoid over-buying for your needs.

To paraphrase an old jazz singer, it's not what you have. It's how you use it. Even a $6500 camera with a $5500 lens can make terrible images if used improperly. I've seen it happen too often to say otherwise! The marginal utility of a $2500 lens isn't often that much greater than the $1200 generic. You just need to know when it is and when it isn't needed.

One hopelessly affluent guy I know bought three different systems (Nikon, then Sony, then Leica) and got the same mediocre results. He asked me why his images were "so lousy." I told him what he needed to do, which was to quit buying gear as if it were hope, to get some photographic education, and to practice like crazy! He needed knowledge and technique and muscle memory.

He wasn't too happy to hear that, at the time. But he told me two years later that I was right, that he had resisted reading, taking classes, and practice, because it "took too much time." His wife convinced him to sell his Leica system and buy her some jewelry and a new iPhone. He still has the other systems, I think. He must be using them, because he showed me some really nice prints the last time I saw him.

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Dec 28, 2023 17:06:29   #
bonjac Loc: Santa Ynez, CA 93460
 
Bridges wrote:
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. People without understanding the economies of other members, throw out recommendations about buying like they are the ultimate authority on a subject, or right out boast like they think others are stupid for not buying the best on the market. Some people skimp whenever they can due to their financial situation. Obviously, you can't buy a generic Nikon, Canon, Sony, or Olympus body so while someone may have funds for that, they may need to skimp elsewhere. Someone in another post actually said they would not buy a non-OEM battery because it might be made in a foreign country! Guess what -- your OEM batteries are made in a foreign country! Other answers berate members for buying 3rd party items like battery grips. Hey, maybe they don't need the grip that can fall off a 100 ft. cliff and survive, maybe they just like a grip that affords a better hold when using the camera in a vertical orientation. Someone else said they would only buy HP cartridges -- I have an answer for that -- professional equipment like printers using eight or more cartridges notwithstanding, if you own a printer that you paid a couple of hundred dollars for, you didn't buy a printer, you bought into a very expensive ink program. Those lower-priced printers are so cheap because when you buy one, HP, Canon, or any others the manufacturer has you by the balls! You will be paying through the nose for your ink. Epson, and now Canon and HP have printers that use tanks which are easy to fill and cost a fraction of what cartridges do. Another possibility is that when it comes to batteries who knows who makes them? There may only be two plants in Japan/China/Taiwan that make all of them and just put different names on them. Look at the round head flash from Neewer, Bolt, and Godox they are all the same unit, just a name change. When someone asks for advice, it would be nice to see people respond with their recommendations and not put others down for things like not using OEM equipment. I would bet 75% of people here who act like people are stupid for not spending the extra bucks for a Nikon/Canon/Sony battery, use a flash that is not OEM. I work part-time at Sam's Club and I've had people tell me they would only buy Everyready Batteries over the store brand. Guess what -- they are the same battery! They don't understand marketing -- they can't believe Everyready would sell us batteries that would undercut the name brand. I explain that most big retailers will have an inhouse brand and Eveyready knows if they don't sell us a generic, someone else would! This way they get all the business. Ever see two gas stations owned by the same company across the street from each other -- it's about limiting competition. While I understand some of the group has the money to buy top-drawer on all their equipment, I think putting others down (and that is what you are doing when you state I would only buy xxx) is insensitive and is an opinion you should keep to yourselves. When I was 15, I worked in a manufacturing jewelry shop. We sold Rolex watches both 14 kt. and gold plated. They looked identical so one day I asked Mr. Hays (the owner) why anyone would spend 1200 or more for a Rolex when they could have an identical watch in gold plate for a third of the price. I said no one would know the difference. Mr. Hays looked me in the eye and said, "Oh, but the owner would know". That has stuck with me for the last 58 years and I have tried to live life in a way so as not to flaunt what I have but to just respect my good fortune when something good comes my way. So UHHers, lighten up. Respect each other, give recommendations when asked, and don't come down on others for their choices. (If you are wondering about the cheap prices for Rolex Watches -- while I worked at the jewelry shop the US went off the gold standard. One day gold was 37.00 an ounce, the next day it was like 387.00 an ounce!)
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. P... (show quote)


Well done.

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Dec 28, 2023 17:09:22   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
His wife convinced him to sell his Leica system and buy her some jewelry and a new iPhone. He still has the other systems, I think..


Well the jewelry is the same as the Leica system as Leica are jewelry too. The Iphone loses value a lot faster than the Leica system. Poor choice in my opinion.

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Dec 28, 2023 17:45:55   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
Bridges wrote:
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. People without understanding the economies of other members, throw out recommendations about buying like they are the ultimate authority on a subject, or right out boast like they think others are stupid for not buying the best on the market. Some people skimp whenever they can due to their financial situation. Obviously, you can't buy a generic Nikon, Canon, Sony, or Olympus body so while someone may have funds for that, they may need to skimp elsewhere. Someone in another post actually said they would not buy a non-OEM battery because it might be made in a foreign country! Guess what -- your OEM batteries are made in a foreign country! Other answers berate members for buying 3rd party items like battery grips. Hey, maybe they don't need the grip that can fall off a 100 ft. cliff and survive, maybe they just like a grip that affords a better hold when using the camera in a vertical orientation. Someone else said they would only buy HP cartridges -- I have an answer for that -- professional equipment like printers using eight or more cartridges notwithstanding, if you own a printer that you paid a couple of hundred dollars for, you didn't buy a printer, you bought into a very expensive ink program. Those lower-priced printers are so cheap because when you buy one, HP, Canon, or any others the manufacturer has you by the balls! You will be paying through the nose for your ink. Epson, and now Canon and HP have printers that use tanks which are easy to fill and cost a fraction of what cartridges do. Another possibility is that when it comes to batteries who knows who makes them? There may only be two plants in Japan/China/Taiwan that make all of them and just put different names on them. Look at the round head flash from Neewer, Bolt, and Godox they are all the same unit, just a name change. When someone asks for advice, it would be nice to see people respond with their recommendations and not put others down for things like not using OEM equipment. I would bet 75% of people here who act like people are stupid for not spending the extra bucks for a Nikon/Canon/Sony battery, use a flash that is not OEM. I work part-time at Sam's Club and I've had people tell me they would only buy Everyready Batteries over the store brand. Guess what -- they are the same battery! They don't understand marketing -- they can't believe Everyready would sell us batteries that would undercut the name brand. I explain that most big retailers will have an inhouse brand and Eveyready knows if they don't sell us a generic, someone else would! This way they get all the business. Ever see two gas stations owned by the same company across the street from each other -- it's about limiting competition. While I understand some of the group has the money to buy top-drawer on all their equipment, I think putting others down (and that is what you are doing when you state I would only buy xxx) is insensitive and is an opinion you should keep to yourselves. When I was 15, I worked in a manufacturing jewelry shop. We sold Rolex watches both 14 kt. and gold plated. They looked identical so one day I asked Mr. Hays (the owner) why anyone would spend 1200 or more for a Rolex when they could have an identical watch in gold plate for a third of the price. I said no one would know the difference. Mr. Hays looked me in the eye and said, "Oh, but the owner would know". That has stuck with me for the last 58 years and I have tried to live life in a way so as not to flaunt what I have but to just respect my good fortune when something good comes my way. So UHHers, lighten up. Respect each other, give recommendations when asked, and don't come down on others for their choices. (If you are wondering about the cheap prices for Rolex Watches -- while I worked at the jewelry shop the US went off the gold standard. One day gold was 37.00 an ounce, the next day it was like 387.00 an ounce!)
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. P... (show quote)

Well said. My first three cars were all second hand but when I could afford a new car I tended to keep it for a long time if it met my expectations. As a matter of fact the first Honda Pilot I bought I kept for 160,000 miles and ten years. Also my camera preferences are Canon but I have owned Olympus and Nikon but I get annoyed when someone puts down any other equipment. Thanks for your inspiring message. We should all take the hint.
Bud

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Dec 28, 2023 17:49:02   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
burkphoto wrote:
I choose to buy a new camera body every 7-8 years. I buy used lenses, tripods and other camera gear from dealers offering good six month warranties and decent exchange policies. I buy refurbished Macs, also "off the shelf" models. They are the exact same computers with the same warranties as new.

There is no shame in saving money. I like it when I make more on my investments by not spending them. My car is a 2010 in great shape that I'll keep as long as I can. Cars are black holes in the road, and boats are drains in the lake. Both suck cash.

One key to efficient use of funds is product research. If you learn enough about what sort of things you want to buy, you can avoid over-buying for your needs.

To paraphrase an old jazz singer, it's not what you have. It's how you use it. Even a $6500 camera with a $5500 lens can make terrible images if used improperly. I've seen it happen too often to say otherwise! The marginal utility of a $2500 lens isn't often that much greater than the $1200 generic. You just need to know when it is and when it isn't needed.

One hopelessly affluent guy I know bought three different systems (Nikon, then Sony, then Leica) and got the same mediocre results. He asked me why his images were "so lousy." I told him what he needed to do, which was to quit buying gear as if it were hope, to get some photographic education, and to practice like crazy! He needed knowledge and technique and muscle memory.

He wasn't too happy to hear that, at the time. But he told me two years later that I was right, that he had resisted reading, taking classes, and practice, because it "took too much time." His wife convinced him to sell his Leica system and buy her some jewelry and a new iPhone. He still has the other systems, I think. He must be using them, because he showed me some really nice prints the last time I saw him.
I choose to buy a new camera body every 7-8 years.... (show quote)

Yup, and OTS computers, "old" software, my 13 and 18 year old cameras do just fine for me.
I could get the best, most powerful, and latest stuff, but I don't need to do that.
Maybe those things might make me feel better, but I doubt it.

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Dec 28, 2023 17:52:35   #
BebuLamar
 
Longshadow wrote:
Yup, and OTS computers, "old" software, my 13 and 18 year old cameras do just fine for me.
I could get the best, most powerful, and latest stuff, but I don't need to do that.
Maybe those things might make me feel better, but I doubt it.


Actually I think they don't make cameras for me anymore. So I don't buy new cameras.

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Dec 28, 2023 17:55:19   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Actually I think they don't make cameras for me anymore. So I don't buy new cameras.


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Dec 28, 2023 17:56:15   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BudsOwl wrote:
Well said. My first three cars were all second hand but when I could afford a new car I tended to keep it for a long time if it met my expectations. As a matter of fact the first Honda Pilot I bought I kept for 160,000 miles and ten years. Also my camera preferences are Canon but I have owned Olympus and Nikon but I get annoyed when someone puts down any other equipment. Thanks for your inspiring message. We should all take the hint.
Bud


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Dec 28, 2023 18:34:34   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
Well said Bridges, it all comes down to priorities. I have always believed you should buy the best you can afford. Back in the 50s I could have bought a Nikon, but I could afford an Argus C-3. Today, living on fixed income I could buy a Z9 but I can afford my D7200.

I personally love it when someone posts a set of action shots and boasts how they captured the shots with a top of the line mirrorless camera. Thirty some fps, high speed auto focus with subject tracking at a mere $5,500. Add to that a $6,500 lens and you are in business as a wildlife photographer.

My advise has always been: GET THE BEST YOU CAN AFFORD

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Dec 28, 2023 18:37:13   #
BebuLamar
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Well said Bridges, it all comes down to priorities. I have always believed you should buy the best you can afford. Back in the 50s I could have bought a Nikon, but I could afford an Argus C-3. Today, living on fixed income I could buy a Z9 but I can afford my D7200.

I personally love it when someone posts a set of action shots and boasts how they captured the shots with a top of the line mirrorless camera. Thirty some fps, high speed auto focus with subject tracking at a mere $5,500. Add to that a $6,500 lens and you are in business as a wildlife photographer.

My advise has always been: GET THE BEST YOU CAN AFFORD
Well said Bridges, it all comes down to priorities... (show quote)


I am not in the business of photography and thus I would buy what I like if I can afford it. If I can't I simply don't buy. I do not buy a lesser model because I can't afford the model I want.

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Dec 28, 2023 18:43:55   #
Nigel7 Loc: Worcestershire. UK.
 
Bridges wrote:
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. People without understanding the economies of other members, throw out recommendations about buying like they are the ultimate authority on a subject, or right out boast like they think others are stupid for not buying the best on the market. Some people skimp whenever they can due to their financial situation. Obviously, you can't buy a generic Nikon, Canon, Sony, or Olympus body so while someone may have funds for that, they may need to skimp elsewhere. Someone in another post actually said they would not buy a non-OEM battery because it might be made in a foreign country! Guess what -- your OEM batteries are made in a foreign country! Other answers berate members for buying 3rd party items like battery grips. Hey, maybe they don't need the grip that can fall off a 100 ft. cliff and survive, maybe they just like a grip that affords a better hold when using the camera in a vertical orientation. Someone else said they would only buy HP cartridges -- I have an answer for that -- professional equipment like printers using eight or more cartridges notwithstanding, if you own a printer that you paid a couple of hundred dollars for, you didn't buy a printer, you bought into a very expensive ink program. Those lower-priced printers are so cheap because when you buy one, HP, Canon, or any others the manufacturer has you by the balls! You will be paying through the nose for your ink. Epson, and now Canon and HP have printers that use tanks which are easy to fill and cost a fraction of what cartridges do. Another possibility is that when it comes to batteries who knows who makes them? There may only be two plants in Japan/China/Taiwan that make all of them and just put different names on them. Look at the round head flash from Neewer, Bolt, and Godox they are all the same unit, just a name change. When someone asks for advice, it would be nice to see people respond with their recommendations and not put others down for things like not using OEM equipment. I would bet 75% of people here who act like people are stupid for not spending the extra bucks for a Nikon/Canon/Sony battery, use a flash that is not OEM. I work part-time at Sam's Club and I've had people tell me they would only buy Everyready Batteries over the store brand. Guess what -- they are the same battery! They don't understand marketing -- they can't believe Everyready would sell us batteries that would undercut the name brand. I explain that most big retailers will have an inhouse brand and Eveyready knows if they don't sell us a generic, someone else would! This way they get all the business. Ever see two gas stations owned by the same company across the street from each other -- it's about limiting competition. While I understand some of the group has the money to buy top-drawer on all their equipment, I think putting others down (and that is what you are doing when you state I would only buy xxx) is insensitive and is an opinion you should keep to yourselves. When I was 15, I worked in a manufacturing jewelry shop. We sold Rolex watches both 14 kt. and gold plated. They looked identical so one day I asked Mr. Hays (the owner) why anyone would spend 1200 or more for a Rolex when they could have an identical watch in gold plate for a third of the price. I said no one would know the difference. Mr. Hays looked me in the eye and said, "Oh, but the owner would know". That has stuck with me for the last 58 years and I have tried to live life in a way so as not to flaunt what I have but to just respect my good fortune when something good comes my way. So UHHers, lighten up. Respect each other, give recommendations when asked, and don't come down on others for their choices. (If you are wondering about the cheap prices for Rolex Watches -- while I worked at the jewelry shop the US went off the gold standard. One day gold was 37.00 an ounce, the next day it was like 387.00 an ounce!)
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. P... (show quote)


Well said, Bridges. I could not agree more. I have been re-evaluating my membership of this blog recently but the responses you have received for your comments give me faith that there are plenty of true photographers out there who can enjoy their hobby at their own level (skill and finance) without seeking to put others down. Good on you.

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Dec 28, 2023 18:58:33   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 


Don

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Dec 28, 2023 18:59:00   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
I look at it this way. How many folks would buy a name-brand drug when there is an approved generic version available at a fraction of the price?

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Dec 28, 2023 19:01:35   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
I look at it this way. How many folks would buy a name-brand drug when there is an approved generic version available at a fraction of the price?

All my prescription drugs are generic except for one.

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Dec 28, 2023 19:15:26   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BudsOwl wrote:
All my prescription drugs are generic except for one.


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