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Dec 26, 2023 17:22:57   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
CliffMcKenzie wrote:
Larry, my fellow PPC member, I have an AE-1 if you need it. Also the club has members all up and down the line who might be of help as you direct. Jerry can even answer how much gun powder you need for a flash. PM or email me. Don't forget you have full access through PPC to its 200+ members. Cliff


Thanks Cliff. We'll see just where this ends up going.

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Dec 26, 2023 17:24:45   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
goofybruce wrote:
...an interesting side (or maybe main) issue would be comparing cost of being a "serious" amateur from 50 years ago to today, over the course of a year. (You might even have some stuff (pictures, equipment, lab stuff) from that time period to illustrate that would encompass "developing and printing" of photos in the mix.
Today, once you have a good camera and a lens, your only further investment is an editing program (I would believe that nearly every home has a computer for other uses).
With the 1970 technology, you had to send the film away (or, if luck enough to live close to a drug store take it there to have it developed) the wait for the prints to come back.
If you did it yourself, you could rather quickly develop black & white film, but needed time and chemicals and a dark room, and the cost of an enlarger and paper and chemicals for that.
If you wanted to shoot (and process) in color, there was also the cost for consistent temperature equipment for the film and print developers as well as the chemicals, enlarger and paper.
Today, there is instant gratification/ability (chimping) on the scene to see what you got and ability to immediately change settings.
AND, OH YES...today you are not being limited to 36 shots per roll of film. Now, you can do 'bursts' of almost limitless shots.
Computer editing is much wider-ranging than the very limited 'creativity' in the developing/printing process of film. Today you got editing programs which can drastically widen the exposure/color elements as well as edit out the encroaching telephone pole.
Then you have cropping -- and seeing it all in regular (not negative) viewing.
The ability to share photos, even by internet to a dedicated frame anywhere in the world, is there today. In 1970, again you relied on the mail to show grandma how the kids have grown.
And, if you throw in drone cameras, adaptors for telescopes, remote (game) cameras and even "Ring" doorbell cameras, you get a wider range of what "photography" means today.

Oh, and did I mention video built into most digital cameras today? No more grainy pictures of "Uncle Ned" waving at the camera in 16 fps, and waiting for film to come back, then editing, then viewing, but only when everyone was gathered because you had to set up the screen and projector. Of course, on the bright side, there likely would have been popcorn, too...

And, today, you can have it included with your personal phone/notebook/computer, too.

Has any other "everyman" endeavor expanded so widely????

All that and probably cheaper today when compared to "1970 equivalent dollars."
...an interesting side (or maybe main) issue would... (show quote)

A 36 exp roll could also serve as a motivator. Today, a person can take a few photos, then put the whole thing away until the next holiday. Then, there was always the motivation to ‘finish the roll’.

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Dec 26, 2023 17:58:56   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
GREAT NEWS, for sure!

If anyone recalls the other post about young folks and photography, I was not disparaged or disappointed in the younger set at all. I opined that they are creative, tech-savvy, and eager to learn and express themselves and if you give them a few basics, encouragement, and an upbeat approach, they will find the way and fly!

In my opinion, the worst thing you can do is set up roadblocks by overemphasizing equipment and trying to get into advanced aesthetics too early in the program. For starters, any decent will do- everybody has a cellphone why not? And...if you want to eventually emphasize "composition" any camera will work because the composition is not a mechanical or optical function of the camera- is the eyes, brain, and that need to be employed.

Kids will pick up on the technology soon enough. First, you need to stimulate their enthusiasm and encourage them ho to express themselves and tell stories with images. Give them assignments and choices like- shooting "something you love and something you hate", shooting your sport, covering school events, or just taking fun shots over the weekend. How about illustrating an essay?

Some kids take better to the science and math that is involved in the craft. Some- not so much., but if they realize that their techniques will yield better shots, they will do the work!

whatever you do, do not turn into a pack of gearheads! Avoid- "Who has the best camera competition"! Who makes the best, funniest, most dramatic, interesting, pretty, or bizarre shots is a much better goal!

You can not TEACH talent- you can only encourage it and help each kid develop their own!

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Dec 27, 2023 11:25:17   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
rehess wrote:
A 36 exp roll could also serve as a motivator. Today, a person can take a few photos, then put the whole thing away until the next holiday. Then, there was always the motivation to ‘finish the roll’.


On the other hand, you can download and process just a few photos without having to finish the roll. Back in the film days when I was shooting events on film there were times something important was coming up, and I was part way through the roll, and I had to take it out before it was finished so I wouldn't end up missing something changing film.

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