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Dec 26, 2023 13:24:28   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Thomas902 wrote:
Thank you very much Bill Burkholder for sharing your White Paper...
You, kind sir, are one of few reason's I even bother to check into UHH anymore...
And yes I concur that transparency copy via camera is indeed expedient and cost effective.
Besides I had a high value transparency damaged by a clueless commercial scanning service... Never again...

Wishing you much Joy and Continued Success on your career journey Bill.

btw, had to smile at your comments on the younger generation's mindset.
Working with many brilliant young aspiring fashion & beauty models who's enthusiasm is a priceless and precises gift in itself which keeps me keenly focused and on an even keel...

Team synergy latent on a commercial fashion/beauty set is an amazing thing, which likely so very few are actually aware of... each player from a multitude of disciplines bring there own expertise to the mix...

Cheers! and happy Holidays to all who practice in the Art and Craft of photography
Thank you very much Bill Burkholder for sharing yo... (show quote)


Thanks, Thomas! Great portrait work!

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Dec 26, 2023 14:05:19   #
twb930s Loc: Aldie, Virginia
 
Bsimmonds wrote:
I’ve boxes of slides from 2 generations I need to organize. It’s a daunting task. I’m seeking recommendations for my best option to view and digitize the lot. I do not have a viewer. I’m not well versed in equipment I will need nor brands to purchase. I’m hoping others before me might offer useful suggestions to consider.
Bill


I have both an Epson V600 and Nikon LS-2000 scanners. The V600 does a decent job of scanning slides, negatives and prints. The software could be better, but Vuescan will take care of that. The Nikon scanner does an excellent job as well, but it requires a computer into which you can install the needed SCSI card. I use an old HP XP computer just for the Nikon Scanner. The Nikon is slower and only does one mounted slide at a time where the Epson does 4 and will do more than one strip of negatives at a time. The Epson also does medium format where the Nikon only does 35mm. The V600 is a relatively inexpensive scanner. The Epson V850 does a much better job, and scans over twice as much in one scan as the V600, but it costs nearly 10 times as much. I have scanned thousands of slides with my V600 along with hundreds of PDF's, prints and negatives and it is still working perfectly. For the money, you cannot go wrong.

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Dec 26, 2023 14:16:25   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
rehess wrote:
A {literal} attic is a lousy place to store slides - at least in the summer it is; the heat will speed up their “aging”. I scanned my slides basically as soon as I got a digital camera.

Incidentally, I use ‘gimp’ exclusively -both the Linux version and the windows version. I hear people have trouble with it, but, then, I’m a retired “software engineer”, so it was written by people who think like I do.


Thanks So much for your comment... Yes, I know I am slack about storage. They are coming out of the attic now. Thanks esp. for comments on GIMP... for free why not a try... looks interesting. Thanks again. Bob

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Dec 26, 2023 14:30:53   #
Dalbon
 
Bsimmonds wrote:
I’ve boxes of slides from 2 generations I need to organize. It’s a daunting task. I’m seeking recommendations for my best option to view and digitize the lot. I do not have a viewer. I’m not well versed in equipment I will need nor brands to purchase. I’m hoping others before me might offer useful suggestions to consider.
Bill


I shot both 35 mm and 220 mm slides from the 1970's till I started shooting digital and even after digital so I have many, many thousands of slides. I purchased a Nikon Super Coolscan 9000 ED film scanner and it works very well with many different sizes of film and slides. I don't believe that Nikon makes the scanner any longer but it may be possible to fine one on ebay or amazon. The scanner has 4000 dots per square inch so it puts out a great digital image.
David

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Dec 26, 2023 15:04:04   #
awis01
 
I have an epson perfection v-500 scanner. I digitized many years of 35mm slides and am very happy with it. I would be interested in hearing what other hogs have to recommend.

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Dec 26, 2023 16:11:13   #
levinton
 
These comments remind me of a lingering question: how big digitally, is a medium format film image?

I recall a major 1970s photographic show by Richard Avedon, who was a glamour photographer but also took photos in the field of shall we say unusual folks, often with long-weathered reptilean skin, and various other characters. This show was spectacular, and photos were taken with a standard twin Rollei. The photos were generally printed as much as five feet high. As we entered the show I was with my 6 year old son and he (and I) saw the entry way photo which was of about 5 full frontal nude adults (again, five - 6 feet high - probably from an Andy Warhol "Factory" shoot). A glorious print but my small son literally yelled and ran the other way from the apparently shocking photo - and it was a bit of a shock in the Met - even for a second time. I wonder how many pixels he would need to match it in a digital.

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Dec 26, 2023 16:21:07   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
levinton wrote:
These comments remind me of a lingering question: how big digitally, is a medium format film image

I believe that practically, for most cases, the number is actually reasonably small, because in most cases the viewer will sit/stand such that s/he can see the whole picture at once, so in practical terms a “FF” digital photo will do as well.

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Dec 26, 2023 16:40:40   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
The only camera I have with macro capability is the rugged Olympus TG-5. I recently bought an LED Lume Cube Panel Go for video lighting to use up a rebate I was given. I've had a Manfroto Pixi EVO table top tripod/grip for years.

Because of this topic, including Burkholder's "white paper", I put those three pieces together. I tried it on an old Ektachrome I shot when the Navy sent me to Iran for a week in the early '70s.

Even with the small sensor, the TG-5 image amazed me! If requested I'll share some samples.

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Dec 26, 2023 16:43:08   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
The only camera I have with macro capability is the rugged Olympus TG-5. I recently bought an LED Lume Cube Panel Go for video lighting to use up a rebate I was given. I've had a Manfroto Pixi EVO table top tripod/grip for years.

Because of this topic, including Burkholder's "white paper", I put those three pieces together. I tried it on an old Ektachrome I shot when the Navy sent me to Iran for a week in the early '70s.

Even with the small sensor, the TG-5 image amazed me! If requested I'll share some samples.
The only camera I have with macro capability is th... (show quote)


Yep. Post away… the process works.

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Dec 26, 2023 16:48:06   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yep. Post away… the process works.


OK! Now I have to go look for some slides that are in focus. My Nikkormats had an exposure meter but relied on me to get the focus right!

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Dec 26, 2023 17:15:27   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
OK! Now I have to go look for some slides that are in focus. My Nikkormats had an exposure meter but relied on me to get the focus right!


Here are a few from slides (some modified in Photoshop Neural Filters):

The hotel was photographed in August, 1983, on Kodachrome 64, and digitized 40 years later. The photo derivation is from the slide image.

Epcot Spaceship Earth was also photographed in 1983 on K64, then digitized and altered 40 years later...

The last two are from B&W film negatives made in the 1970s, copied with the same rig I used for the slides (using a negative holder instead of a slide holder).

These look a lot better in download mode…


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Dec 26, 2023 21:06:51   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yep. Post away… the process works.


OK Bill B,

Here is a snap of my quick setup, two Kodachromes from Iran in the early '70s and two Ektachromes from the early 80's at what I think was an Ellensburg, WA Rodeo. This works better than it should given that the camera sensor is so tiny and the originals aren't perfect to start with.











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Dec 26, 2023 22:12:18   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
bsprague wrote:
OK Bill B,

Here is a snap of my quick setup, two Kodachromes from Iran in the early '70s and two Ektachromes from the early 80's at what I think was an Ellensburg, WA Rodeo. This works better than it should given that the camera sensor is so tiny and the originals aren't perfect to start with.


Wow! I never thought of using my TG-6 for slide copying! Looks like a pretty simple set up. I like simple set ups!!

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Dec 26, 2023 22:23:59   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Wow! I never thought of using my TG-6 for slide copying! Looks like a pretty simple set up. I like simple set ups!!


I have several cameras but none with a macro lens or built in macro capability except my TG-5. So, the only way I can try the Bill Burkholder method of taking pictures of old slides is with that camera.

The hard part was the light. A year or so ago I built a slide copy stand out of wood. It had a slide holder and I could adjust the distance for the camera. I tried using a hardware store LED flood light. The captured images were vignetted. My brand new "Lume Cube Go" video light is much better with the same camera.

Compared to the digital perfection we expect now, I don't know what to expect from slides. When I used to view them it was from a distance on a screen so I don't remember pixel peeping like I might do now.

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Dec 26, 2023 22:56:33   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
I have several cameras but none with a macro lens or built in macro capability except my TG-5. So, the only way I can try the Bill Burkholder method of taking pictures of old slides is with that camera.

The hard part was the light. A year or so ago I built a slide copy stand out of wood. It had a slide holder and I could adjust the distance for the camera. I tried using a hardware store LED flood light. The captured images were vignetted. My brand new "Lume Cube Go" video light is much better with the same camera.

Compared to the digital perfection we expect now, I don't know what to expect from slides. When I used to view them it was from a distance on a screen so I don't remember pixel peeping like I might do now.
I have several cameras but none with a macro lens ... (show quote)


Bill, since you know Lightroom Classic and ACR, you should experiment with the sliders to recover shadow and highlight information — pull down the highlights and pull up the shadows. You'll be surprised how much you can recover from a raw file! I was never able to get a natural look in prints from slides until I camera scanned them to raw files and pulled the sliders around. Experiment with sharpening and noise reduction, too. You'll soon learn what works best with each film type and have starting points for each film family.

Anyone who gets really serious about it should follow the links in that white paper I posted. I'm a HUGE believer in the Essential Film Holder system (EFH). It's inexpensive, well-engineered, and easy to use for slides and negatives from 35mm to size 120 formats up to 6x9 cm. I feel the same about Negative Lab Pro, which I use for black-and-white and color negatives. Version 3.x is excellent. It works great with the latest version of LrC. Since I do lots of conversions, NLP is an essential part of my workflow and was a trivial (<$100) expense considering what it does — and the time it saves. The little Viltrox L-116t LED light panel is very good, about 95+ CRI, and only slightly deficient in the deep red portion of the spectrum. It runs cool and works great with the diffuser in the EFH.

Anyone working with negatives larger than 35mm (6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x8, or 6x9 cm) will benefit from a camera with more than 16MP. I'll probably switch to a 25MP Lumix G9 II soon, which also has a 100 MP mode on it that is made possible by stepping and repeating the exposure many times, moving the sensor slightly each time. Olympus OM-1 from OM-Systems has a similar feature. Of course, if you have the medium format Fujifilm 100MP GFX 100S, with a macro lens, you have sensor real estate to burn. Those big sensels resolve REAL 100 MP detail. That's a great solution if you do commercial work and need a scan from a 4x5 or larger film, so you can use the real swings and tilts on a view camera.

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