Evolution or Creation? (Page 3): By what power and authority have you made this decision?

polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.

Laramie wrote:

This is religion, it belongs in the Attic.

By what power and authority have you made this decision?

tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana

The belief that man is the highest and greatest force in the universe, and that man's “scientific” machinations (flat earth, geocentric universe, etc. etc.) can fully explain all of the controlling concepts of the universe and man’s place in it, and that there are no other truths, other than those to which we adhere according to our puny constructs of “science” exhibits the greatest hubris, vanity and pride imaginable. And to state that "we don't know why, but we know that it must be true" defies every aspect of the scientific method. Yes, faith in God and His works is a difficult concept in the scheme of eternity, but you only get one chance to get it right. And it pays to remember that today we celebrate the birth of Our Savior, believe it or not...

PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA

I would rather live my life believing there is a God and find out God does not exist than to live my life believing God does not exist and find out He does exist.

gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast

Canisdirus wrote:

In the 21st century...

Evolution is not a religious issue...

It is an educational issue.

Science knows for a fact...mankind never started out that way...zero chance...zero.

To deny it now...is a declaration of ignorance.

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riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas

Floyd wrote:

Not a false doctrine! It is biblical. Apparently, you haven't read the New Testament? There are 13 specific references to Hell & Judgment. In the 12th chapter of Luke, 5th verse, Jesus said, "But I will show you the one to fear: Fear him who has authority to throw people into hell after death. Yes, I say to you, this is the one to fear." Do you deny Jesus or claim He is a liar?

Floyd, eternal punishment is not biblical no matter how and what got you to believe this, it is popular though but not correct no matter however you wish to spin it. The translations also note in scripture of the destruction of the evil ones and that is eternal, done for and not to be anymore. Read Revelation bro. I have been through these stuff for 50 years. Not religious either. Religion is mans attempt to reach, please or connect with God. And yes I have read the new testament. The bible has been miss interpreted, miss quoted, miss used and abused for centuries by MAN. Uh, let's see here, how many denominations just north America do we have ? they all have their own twist.
I KNOW there is a living God in heaven who loves us even though we have created our own mess. Hell is not eternal punishment. You do the research, I did.

Floyd Loc: Misplaced Texan in Florence, Alabama

Canisdirus wrote:

In the 21st century...

Evolution is not a religious issue...

It is an educational issue.

Science knows for a fact...mankind never started out that way...zero chance...zero.

To deny it now...is a declaration of ignorance.

You cannot name a "scientific fact" supporting evolution; everything spouted as fact is based on man's assumption. Also, real facts do not change. I've lived long enough to remember that almost yearly some leading evolutionist, reports finding some bone and stating it came from such and such a specific animal and is the latest proof of evolution (quoted as scientific fact). Invariably, enough other bones are found to prove the first animal identified was identified incorrectly and no evolution had occurred.

Our Bible is not a scientific book; however, on the occasions it speaks about anything science oriented, it has not, to date, been found wrong.

richardsaccount

Forgive me but I must admit to taking the intellectualy lazy way out.
I refer to this as the Great Mystery. Best to you and yours.

Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA

riderxlx wrote:

Yes, you are right the eternal punishment is a false doctrine that got into many popular denominations however, it is not biblical and it’s not what a loving God will do, but so also Other denominational, beliefs and theories are not actually biblical.
Bruce

Eternal punishment is not false but may very well be misunderstood. One explanation I have heard and more or less go with is eternal punishment means eternal separation from this loving God. Imagine being separated from a loving parent and you may get a hint of the feeling, only this separation will be eternal. There is one look into hell where one of those there is crying out for water. This may also be a look into the afterlife for those who have remained unrepentant and could represent an actual state or metaphorically the person in the lake of fire could be calling out for what is expressed in the Bible as the living water -- as Christ expressed if one drinks from the fountain he provides, they will no longer thirst and rivers of living water will flow from them (the Holy Spirit which will comfort them and embolden them to preach the Gospel).

AndyBob Loc: St. Louis

Definition of Faith: An irrational belief in the occurance of the improbable.

Floyd Loc: Misplaced Texan in Florence, Alabama

riderxlx wrote:

Floyd, eternal punishment is not biblical no matte... (show quote)

I've been studying Apologetics for the last 61 years and have seen much of what you describe as "their own twist." You did not address those statements made by Jesus attesting to eternal punishment; yet by implication you indicate you believe He is a liar. Jesus said He was GOD and that He came to show us GOD was a God of Love and Judgment. Interestingly, of all the existing copies of complete and portions of Scripture found to date, none have required a change in facts nor teachings.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Floyd wrote:

I've been studying Apologetics for the last 61 years and have seen much of what you describe as "their own twist." You did not address those statements made by Jesus attesting to eternal punishment; yet by implication you indicate you believe He is a liar. Jesus said He was GOD and that He came to show us GOD was a God of Love and Judgment. Interestingly, of all the existing copies of complete and portions of Scripture found to date, none have required a change in facts nor teachings.

I have recently been turned on to Chesterton and also Lewis just recently... Thank God for " Father brown " to get me going !

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

I am not a student of religions, but I am here (on earth) to learn. To that end I have a question: Where are the posts from photographers of religions other than Christian? Is it that followers of Islam are forbidden to create images? Are Islamic photographers free to photograph landscapes? Wildlife? Can we hear from non-Christian non-Atheist non-Agnostic proponents?

gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast

Floyd wrote:

You cannot name a "scientific fact" supp... (show quote)

You speak nonsense about science, making it clear what you don’t know. Stick your hand in the fire. There is no assumption that you’ll get burned. It’s a fact, as well as why you’ll get burned is a fact and not an assumption.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Floyd wrote:

You cannot name a "scientific fact" supp... (show quote)

Actually coordinate the creation days of Genesis with what we know from available scientific knowledge... It ALL lines up when you substitute millions of years for days... just diff. language for the times. Actually the first mention of light in genesis was the CONCEPT of light itself... not until millions of years when the cosmic dust condensed and the first star burst into light was there actual light. Some trivia I read the other day said Space has the smell of charcoal and sulphur... Interesting stuff.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

gvarner wrote:

You speak nonsense about science, making it clear what you don’t know. Stick your hand in the fire. There is no assumption that you’ll get burned. It’s a fact, as well as why you’ll get burned is a fact and not an assumption.

My grandson is doing astro physics and astronomy at the university and he said recent scientific discoveries pretty much confirm that there are OTHER universes... If you think about it EVERYTHING else seems to occur in cycles so it seems plausible. Inject the " infinity " constant into the equation and anything and everything is possible and probable.