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Dec 18, 2023 13:40:16   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
pecohen wrote:
I heard about Murphy's law for many years before it dawned on me that Murphy must be a statistician and Murphy's law is fundamental to statistics. Anything that can happen will happen, given enough opportunities.
I am not sure who said this but it is certainly true; “the nature of probability is that unlikely things will happen”.

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Dec 18, 2023 16:55:16   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Bill_de wrote:
Frames can be fun if you like wood and hanging your own pictures. I did everything but cut the glass for the waterfall. The fox I printed on canvas. It was a quick frame, no glass.

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Nice work, Bill. I'm a cabinet maker by trade, so making frames is pretty much second nature, but I truly appreciate those woodworker/nonprofessionals who've solved the problems involved with creating
quality frames, 'cuz it ain't easy, lolol...

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Dec 18, 2023 17:07:28   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
chasgroh wrote:
Nice work, Bill. I'm a cabinet maker by trade, so making frames is pretty much second nature, but I truly appreciate those woodworker/nonprofessionals who've solved the problems involved with creating
quality frames, 'cuz it ain't easy, lolol...


Thanks very much Charlie.

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Dec 18, 2023 17:32:14   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
I used to make cabinets at one time. My table saw will do magical things with all t he jigs I have.
its nice to make your own frame, but you just cant beat having someone make one in an hour for you.

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Dec 18, 2023 20:20:18   #
zarathu Loc: Bar Harbor, MDI, Maine
 
JD750 wrote:
YEP. Sometimes projects expand like that! Very frustrating. At what point did you consider calling a realtor and selling "AS IS"?


I was actually renovating to sell. In 25 years nothing had been done and I had to sell to move to Maine. So it had to be done.

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Dec 18, 2023 20:21:19   #
zarathu Loc: Bar Harbor, MDI, Maine
 
bdk wrote:
I used to make cabinets at one time. My table saw will do magical things with all t he jigs I have.
its nice to make your own frame, but you just cant beat having someone make one in an hour for you.


I can make them in about an hour myself now. Once the pieces are cut, and they are stained, they just have to be glued.

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Dec 18, 2023 20:27:47   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Yes it’s often cheaper to buy something or hire it done, but when was the last time you saw a Walmart assemble yourself particle board bookshelf or desk make it to heirloom status? A just how much bragging rights can you derive from following the instructions to assemble a bookshelf with sagging shelves, peeling veneer and swelled up ends that got wet? I don’t expect praise for the stuff I build but I do expect it to be able to take a beating for years and still hold up. And a person needs to be able to say to themselves, “I made that.” When I die, I want to be known for more than, “Yep, he assembled a lot of cheap crap!”
Yes it’s often cheaper to buy something or hire it... (show quote)



Yep, I own a wood working shop (in storage while full time RV'ing) and build my own stuff! And proud of the fact that all that stuff will be around long after I'm gone!
But having your own sawmill. Now THAT is COOL!

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Dec 18, 2023 22:21:15   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
The nice thing about having a sawmill is that I can saw up logs that are too small or two few for professional sawyers in Amish country to fool with. Often times those gnarly little logs can have some really unique and beautiful grain.

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Dec 18, 2023 22:44:02   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Retired CPO wrote:
...But having your own sawmill. Now THAT is COOL!


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Dec 19, 2023 15:46:52   #
Curtisgary Loc: Palmyra NY live in Decatur Georgia
 
zarathu wrote:
OK.... I’m a reasonable woodworker with a wood shop. Normally I don’t sell photos but the MDI Photo Club had a show at Birch Bay(retirement community), and at the show somebody wanted to buy one of my 13 x 19 inch photos.

And so, since it was for someone else, Murphy got involved.

First thing I discovered was that my router would not do the job, too much wood to remove.

Then, I discovered that simple cutting the inside with my table saw did not work. I need a dado blade.

Then I discovered that my old table would break the RSV fence off when the bolt glued itself on by rust.

Then I discovered that I needed to cut to the new blade insert.

Then I discovered that I could not glue up the frame without putting a template on the inside where the glass goes to glue the frame against against or it becomes a RHOMBUS, and one side will not be parallel.

And then I discovered that the hardware store will not cut the glass if it's not square.

And then I discovered that if you use gel stain on the wood instead of strictly water based or oil based, it will form a thick solid top if its not sealed tightly (which is hard to do with gel anyhow)and you can’t get the stain out.

And then, I discovered that if you fall on the ice and need six stitches in your head, you will also break the glass and damage the print and get blood over everything.

And then I discovered that the device that puts the little slips of metal to hold the backing on will break the glass AGAIN if you use it wrong.

And then I discovered that mat board is horribly expensive on Amazon, and that I could cut plastic decking to fit, but that it was almost as expensive as mat board.

And then i discovered mat board for 7.50 each.

And then after ordering 15 pieces for $112, that I HAD GIVEN them the wrong inside diameter, and of course thye would not take them back since it was my error.

And then I order new mat board, with a coupon for $101.

And then I discovered that I COULD NOT FIND a way to put the paper backing on, and so the inside of the frame now needs to be stained when it was not before. Along with this I discovered that it's not a good idea to use a staple gun because unless each one is perpendicular and in the middle it will spit the wood on the outside.

I DID DISCO0VER the nice lady who has been waiting at least a week so far longer than I agreed, is not upset, but does need it by Xmas.

She paid $150. But I have already spent close to $300 to make this one frame.

Of course now I know what not to do.
OK.... I’m a reasonable woodworker with a wood sho... (show quote)


Where are you if you are anywhere near Decatur Georgia I would be glad to help you and I could show you how to do it. Uch easier and cheaper using big box store (Home Depot, Lowes) sourced materials

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Dec 19, 2023 18:22:41   #
Ed Commons
 
Remember "Murphy was an optimist."

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Dec 19, 2023 22:09:49   #
zarathu Loc: Bar Harbor, MDI, Maine
 
Curtisgary wrote:
Where are you if you are anywhere near Decatur Georgia I would be glad to help you and I could show you how to do it. Much easier and cheaper using big box store (Home Depot, Lowes) sourced materials


Thanks for your offer, but I’ve gotten pretty good at it now. My recent sale was delighted with the quality I produced.
BTW, According to google maps, I am 1351 miles from you. You are probably still having summer, where as its 21F at my house now.

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Dec 20, 2023 08:34:20   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
zarathu wrote:
OK.... I’m a reasonable woodworker with a wood shop. Normally I don’t sell photos but the MDI Photo Club had a show at Birch Bay(retirement community), and at the show somebody wanted to buy one of my 13 x 19 inch photos.

And so, since it was for someone else, Murphy got involved.

First thing I discovered was that my router would not do the job, too much wood to remove.

Then, I discovered that simple cutting the inside with my table saw did not work. I need a dado blade.

Then I discovered that my old table would break the RSV fence off when the bolt glued itself on by rust.

Then I discovered that I needed to cut to the new blade insert.

Then I discovered that I could not glue up the frame without putting a template on the inside where the glass goes to glue the frame against against or it becomes a RHOMBUS, and one side will not be parallel.

And then I discovered that the hardware store will not cut the glass if it's not square.

And then I discovered that if you use gel stain on the wood instead of strictly water based or oil based, it will form a thick solid top if its not sealed tightly (which is hard to do with gel anyhow)and you can’t get the stain out.

And then, I discovered that if you fall on the ice and need six stitches in your head, you will also break the glass and damage the print and get blood over everything.

And then I discovered that the device that puts the little slips of metal to hold the backing on will break the glass AGAIN if you use it wrong.

And then I discovered that mat board is horribly expensive on Amazon, and that I could cut plastic decking to fit, but that it was almost as expensive as mat board.

And then i discovered mat board for 7.50 each.

And then after ordering 15 pieces for $112, that I HAD GIVEN them the wrong inside diameter, and of course thye would not take them back since it was my error.

And then I order new mat board, with a coupon for $101.

And then I discovered that I COULD NOT FIND a way to put the paper backing on, and so the inside of the frame now needs to be stained when it was not before. Along with this I discovered that it's not a good idea to use a staple gun because unless each one is perpendicular and in the middle it will spit the wood on the outside.

I DID DISCO0VER the nice lady who has been waiting at least a week so far longer than I agreed, is not upset, but does need it by Xmas.

She paid $150. But I have already spent close to $300 to make this one frame.

Of course now I know what not to do.
OK.... I’m a reasonable woodworker with a wood sho... (show quote)


AS a woodworker, well I used to be, I feel your pain.
Now if I wanted a framed print I'd go to Fine Art America and get it framed and mounted for less than doing it myself or in a shop locally. Bob.

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Dec 20, 2023 16:43:11   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
That is a sad, but very funny story, but don't feel bad. this happens to everyone at least once, maybe twice. Maybe more.

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Dec 20, 2023 21:29:41   #
Bonnie Jay Loc: SOUTHERN OREGON ... UNFORTUNATELY
 
I had a frame shop in Santa Monica for over many, many years. I did the chopping and joining and fitting and glass cutting of all kinds of things. Yes, things have gotten so much more expensive than in the late 70s, but there are better ways to frame your image without going to a frame shop. You did not say what size you or someone else had it printed. If it was not custom, there are always the thrift stores who may have the size and profile you can use... repainting or staining could be of use. Or maybe it's fine the way it is.

If you do not use a set back eventually the paper on which the image is printed may stick to the glass. You can buy small set backs as well as large to separate the photo paper from the glass. You can also use a mat. I will always suggest lignin free (acid free mat board) otherwise the lignin in the non acid free mat board will leach out and stain the photo paper. Set back material can be purchased in all sizes and is clear acid free plastic. But comes in long rolls. Or you can use a short strip of acid free mat board in the same color as the frame or the mat for the separation of the photo paper and the glass.

Then if the frame did not come with glass, maybe it's old and beautiful but the glass broke eons ago... you can go to a thrift store and see if you can find a frame the same size that has glass and use that. Or go to a shop and have them cut an appropriate size piece for your frame.

Whatever you do, don't sell an image that is touching the glass.

I too am a photographer and taught photography at the college level for almost 30 years part time. If you care to see any of my work go here: https://pixels.com/profiles/bonnie-dater-jay

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