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Dec 8, 2023 13:04:06   #
damianlv Loc: Las Vegas, NV
 
User ID wrote:
Your "a, b, and c" concerns are the tip of an iceberg of reasons why all these amateurish "lab tests", "comparisons", etc are so foolishly nonsensical that even the critiquing of theeir obvious flaws, oversights, and shortfalls is just a waste of time.

Its not as if a few questions would lead to a few tweaks that would put these techno wannabees on the right track to meaningful results. The amateurish need to mimic "test analysis sites" is just theatre or fantasy. Its nowhere close to being legit knowledgeable testing that needs only a few minor flaws straightened out. Discussing said flaws is pretty pointless. Discussing such "reported results" is equally pointless.

Look at the example photos provided in this instance. Theyre just laffable. The difference in IQ is huge. Differences in lens quality can be visible but are not THAT huge. Clearly user error is way too obviously in the mix here. Theres nothing to pick apart and analyze. Its just trash "science" worthy to be ignored.
Your "a, b, and c" concerns are the tip ... (show quote)


I appreciate your concerns, they would be valid if this site would be for scientific tests and discoveries.
I understand that this site is to learn from others and exchange experience.
It looks like you are just a sad troll, you don't even share your name.
So sad. Get a life :)

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Dec 8, 2023 13:36:10   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
User ID wrote:
You actually compared lenses without even properly focusing them. Thaz not even mildly amusing. Its just boring old pure BS.

The thread title refers to lenses. Your actual comparison has NOTHING to do with lens IQ. You tested only the AF. You promote the idea of using better lenses. If better lenses enable improved accuracy of the cameras AF system, then better lenses are worthwhile in that way.

Acoarst this assures that, for moderate FLs, f:8.0 is the "Great Equalizer". Whenever that is not proving true then blame operator error *every time* !
You actually compared lenses without even properly... (show quote)


The thing is...I have owned and used a different maker's 18-200mm zoom for several years (until it broke). I have held in my hands and tried on my own camera a lens identical to the one that the OP is wrote about. The situation and results that he posted are quite believable, whether focused automatically or manually. The lens is quirky and unpredictable. The Nikkor version is famous for poor and failed autofocus. And its optics deliver mediocre to unacceptable results even at best focus, whether auto or manual. The Tamron, which I did not purchase, did not seem the equal of the Nikkor, as well as having some additional negative qualities.

I have been in situations in which I had to use less than optimal equipment. For a while, the 18-70mm zoom was my only lens. I did the best I could with it. When a better option became available, I did not ever go back to it. I did have a couple of instances which required use of the 18-200 Nikkor. It never bacame a first or second choice, however.

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Dec 8, 2023 13:49:52   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
damianlv wrote:
I'm in no way bashing Tamron, they actually calibrated this lens under warranty and I had it back in about a week.
It was a Tamron 18-200mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II VC
Sony 24-70mm F/4


I have the Tamron 18-200 lens in a Canon mount. I bought used from a gentleman who stated that he never received stellar results from it, but the price was low enough that it was worth the gamble. My wife uses it as a knock around lens and the results are satisfactory for the occasional 4x6 print and mostly posted online photos that she takes and the f/6.3 is a small hindrance, but not so bad if one uses flash for indoor shots.

That was a long diatribe to get to my question: Where did you send your lens for re-calibration? She likes the lens enough that it would be worthwhile to me to spend a nominal amount of money to have it made better.

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Dec 8, 2023 14:23:53   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
I have a Sigma 18-300mm zoom and while I have no lens to compare with, I get what more than satisfies me, even at the 300mm end. Here is a shot taken at a live concert with a blow up to show detail:


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Dec 8, 2023 14:28:42   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
damianlv wrote:
To answer your questions, over Thanksgiving I took some family group photos using the Tamron lens. A few days later I sold the Tamron so I don't have it anymore and couldn't compare at the same time to the Sony lens. The next day I purchased the Sony lens. About a week later I took a picture with the Sony lens using the same settings as the picture with Tamron. The time of the day was similar for both shots but not exactly the same. The distance from the camera to the subject was exactly the same. Both pictures were taken with the same AF, shutter released remotely with my phone.
It's not a scientific test just a general comparison.
To answer your questions, over Thanksgiving I took... (show quote)

Whilst there are of course differences in IQ between lenses, from the 'difference amount' you've attempted to demonstrate and from what you've said so far suggests the problem is either,

a) lens error
b) operator error

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Dec 8, 2023 16:04:13   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
PHRubin wrote:
I have a Sigma 18-300mm zoom and while I have no lens to compare with, I get what more than satisfies me, even at the 300mm end. Here is a shot taken at a live concert with a blow up to show detail:



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Dec 8, 2023 16:06:48   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
PHRubin wrote:
I have a Sigma 18-300mm zoom and while I have no lens to compare with, I get what more than satisfies me, even at the 300mm end. Here is a shot taken at a live concert with a blow up to show detail:


The 18-300mm lenses are significantly newer designs than the 200mm max zooms. They do not represent any sort of fair comparison to them.

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Dec 8, 2023 16:23:43   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
PHRubin wrote:
I have a Sigma 18-300mm zoom and while I have no lens to compare with, I get what more than satisfies me, even at the 300mm end. Here is a shot taken at a live concert with a blow up to show detail:


Wow! When you get pores like that in the results, you know it's an awesome lens

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Dec 8, 2023 16:34:05   #
Walt R Loc: eastern tn
 
Good glass beats fancy new bodies almost every time !
Walt

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Dec 8, 2023 16:38:17   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
starlifter wrote:
I have 4 Tamrons. 15=30, 24-70, 70-200 and 150-600 all the G-2 versions' I have been more than pleased with the results. I initially had a problem with the 150-600. Had the camera/ lens calibrated where I bought the lens with no problems since. I've included 3 examples.


Beautifully done, and I love that kind of squinting coyote shot 🥩🥩🥩🥩

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Dec 8, 2023 17:08:35   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Walt R wrote:
Good glass beats fancy new bodies almost every time !
Walt



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Dec 8, 2023 17:17:24   #
Zooman 1
 
Even before switching to R cameras I used only Canon lenses, slowly moving away from non-Canon lenses.

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Dec 8, 2023 17:27:06   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Zooman 1 wrote:
Even before switching to R cameras I used only Canon lenses, slowly moving away from non-Canon lenses.


If you only used Canon lenses how do you move away from non-Canon lenses?

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Dec 8, 2023 18:25:45   #
Zooman 1
 
sorry my mistake, should have wrote I was moving away from non Canon lenses. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Dec 8, 2023 19:58:38   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Zooman 1 wrote:
sorry my mistake, should have wrote I was moving away from non Canon lenses. Thanks for pointing this out.


That’s what you did say. Yet you also said you had only used Canon lenses.

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