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Dec 8, 2023 10:27:44   #
BobPeterson Loc: Massachusetts
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
Good to know, thanks. I just wish editing could be done directly in Bridge or LR.


Editing can be done in LR and the edits will sync to LRc as long as the images are in a LRc collection set to sync. The caveat is I believe if your using camera specific profiles in LRc they don't show in LR and you will get a warning that basically means editing in LR is like starting over. if you are using Adobe profiles the edits sync seamlessly.

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Dec 8, 2023 11:41:30   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
Good to know, thanks. I just wish editing could be done directly in Bridge or LR.


Bridge does not now and never has had editing features, but it has never been a problem for me to open Photoshop or Camera Raw to make some changes. Just selecting and tapping "Enter," or double-clicking a thumbnail in Bridge opens the image in Photoshop instantly with no importing/exporting necessary. I know that for many people one extra keystroke can be a waste of time, but I am not that in that big a hurry, thank goodness.

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Dec 8, 2023 11:49:22   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
Mike Koslowski, a very good on line trainer, says he’s only going to use the cloudy version from here on out. I’m going do a dive into this and see.


Here is a link to Matt Kloskowski's page where he advertises his new Lightroom (cloudy) course. It has a useful link to a shorter (free) video that explains his logic. If you are a Classic user and fan, it is a fun watch.

https://mattk.com/evolving-with-lightroom/

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Dec 8, 2023 11:56:50   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Another online teacher is Brian Matiash. Until this week, I'd not noticed him. Apparently he has been a proponent of Lightroom (cloudy) for awhile. Lie Matt, he also sells courses. This YouTube is more detailed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLedNcGgNqg

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Dec 8, 2023 11:58:34   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
bsprague wrote:
In October Lightroom (the cloudy one) got a "Local" tab. I ignored it. Now, for two days, I've been watching and learning about it.

The "Local" tab makes everything useful in Classic's Develop module available without dealing with a importing or a catalog. The local tab navigates to any file in any folder and allows you to work on it, quickly and simply.

Have you tried it?


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I like to keep my photos on my computer or an external hard drive an is the reason I would use classic rather the the cloud based version.

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Dec 8, 2023 12:23:25   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
jamesl wrote:
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I like to keep my photos on my computer or an external hard drive an is the reason I would use classic rather the the cloud based version.


Yes! Most of us do. The point is that Adobe added a new tool or "Tab" in Lightroom (cloudy) called "Local". The short version is that it gives you Classic's Develop module tools for files on your drives without going through the Import cycle and maintaining the catalog. Nothing goes to the cloud unless you force it to got there. Lightroom "cloudy" is now Lightroom "cloudy" or "disky". Your choice.

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Dec 8, 2023 12:26:46   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
SHWeiss wrote:
I would miss being able to directly export to helicon focus and dxo, plus lose all my filter access to topaz and NIK collection without opening photoshop


Matt's suggestion is that the various plugins work a little better as a layer in Photoshop. Lightroom (cloudy) offers a quick path to opening in Photoshop. I think it is quicker than the Classic opening in Photoshop.

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Dec 8, 2023 12:42:36   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
mikeroetex wrote:
Matt Kloslowski is pitching a course on it and jumping his workflow to LR. I had never downloaded it beforr, but it seems promising. Wonder why no fanfare from Adobe?


It may be that we often miss Adobe's big picture. It used to be that photographers had to pick an editing program. Adobe once had the original Lightroom, now called Classic and Photoshop. They ran on your computer. You had to buy separate perpetual licenses.

Now Adobe has an interconnected set of programs. You get them all for $10 a month. They have grown synergistic links and they run on everything you have, even at the same time!

One of the interesting thoughts is that you keep your thousands of files on your local disks. Then using the Local tab, you put copies of your best on the cloud. That makes it easier to show your best to anyone that cares using any screen you have.

The $10/month plan that has the Lightrooms and Photoshop included 20 GB of cloud. That is not much, but it is enough for a couple thousand 50MB photos.

Do you have a couple thousand "bests". I might have a hundred worth bragging about. The other 40,000 can remain hidden on my private drives.

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Dec 8, 2023 13:02:52   #
one_eyed_pete Loc: Colonie NY
 
Using LR "local" is intriguing but four things missing vs LRC make me want to stay with LRC. Those are: 1. no 2nd monitor support, 2. not being able to open multiple images as layers in PS, 3. lack of Plug-in support without going thru PS and 4. not being able to make virtual copies.

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Dec 8, 2023 14:47:02   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
one_eyed_pete wrote:
Using LR "local" is intriguing but four things missing vs LRC make me want to stay with LRC. Those are: 1. no 2nd monitor support, 2. not being able to open multiple images as layers in PS, 3. lack of Plug-in support without going thru PS and 4. not being able to make virtual copies.


You are right. I don't think the expectation from Adobe or anywhere else is that you have to choose one or the other. Some work needs all the Classic tools. Other work fits Cloudy. What is often over looked is how well they work together.

After an important shoot you open multiple images in Photoshop from Classic. Work on them with calibrated second monitor using all your plugins and make a masterpiece. Then you put it in Cloudy so you can share it with your buddies over coffee at McDonalds or a beer at Clancy's.

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Dec 8, 2023 17:06:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
In October Lightroom (the cloudy one) got a "Local" tab. I ignored it. Now, for two days, I've been watching and learning about it.

The "Local" tab makes everything useful in Classic's Develop module available without dealing with a importing or a catalog. The local tab navigates to any file in any folder and allows you to work on it, quickly and simply.

Have you tried it?


No, but I don't have any need for, or interest in, a cloud-based application like that. Classic is the absolute PERFECT fit for what I do, which is all "desktop" (laptop) based. All my catalogs are on hard drives. All the images that are linked to a given catalog are on the same hard drive. I organize by project.

If Adobe wants only one "Lightroom", they should merge 100% of the functions of both the existing Lightroom and Lightroom Classic into one program. While they're at it, make the functions in Photoshop a part of the same program. A good home-page-like dashboard interface would be the key to making it all work... If they were to do something like that, they should come up with a totally new name for it. It should not use the words light, room, or shop.

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Dec 8, 2023 18:20:08   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BobPeterson wrote:
Collections in LRc show up as albums in LR. What does not sync are collection sets from LRc which are analogous to folders in LR.


I think the issue is if you use the local tab to edit then the images aren’t in the catalog and not available for either a collection or an album.

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Dec 8, 2023 19:51:26   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
No, but I don't have any need for, or interest in, a cloud-based application like that. Classic is the absolute PERFECT fit for what I do, which is all "desktop" (laptop) based. All my catalogs are on hard drives. All the images that are linked to a given catalog are on the same hard drive. I organize by project.

If Adobe wants only one "Lightroom", they should merge 100% of the functions of both the existing Lightroom and Lightroom Classic into one program. While they're at it, make the functions in Photoshop a part of the same program. A good home-page-like dashboard interface would be the key to making it all work... If they were to do something like that, they should come up with a totally new name for it. It should not use the words light, room, or shop.
No, but I don't have any need for, or interest in,... (show quote)


"....I don't have any need for, or interest in, a cloud-based application like that."

Lightroom, once cloudy, is now BOTH cloudy and local. I don't think it is because Adobe wants one Lightroom. Instead, what I read was that customers wanted the cloudy one to also have an *optional* local function. So, they added a "Local" tab (and a browser to go with it) to the program.

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Dec 9, 2023 00:04:53   #
Hip Coyote
 
I spent a bit of time on Lr vs. LRCC. Yes, in LR one can now simply select a local or a cloud stored photo and edit it. Much like any other editing program, I assume. But, what I do not see a way to do is to create an album that is not going to be cloud based, even if the album's photos are on a local drive. And, I see no way to create albums that are stored locally only. This sort of makes sense in that there has to be something (as in a catalog) that keeps all that info in a nice bundle and allows LR to use it. What Adobe appears to have done is to only allow albums that are cloud based for a reason...subscriptions to their exclusive cloud services. And, I cannot see a way to get photos that were in an album and move the photos to a local drive. If a photo is in an album, it is in the cloud....and it has to be Adobe's cloud. Remember, many companies make more on their cloud activities than they do on other products.

If I involve LRCC, I can edit in LR mobile on my iPhone when I am traveling, create an album which is in the cloud, go to my desktop, open LRCC which also shows albums, move the photos (always in LR) to a folder of my choosing, and they are in my catalog with all edits! A very cool way to do business.

The other thing I do not see in LR that LRCC has is facial recognition. Perhaps it is there, but I can't find it. Although a pain to do sometimes, it has come in handy for me in a lot of ways.

For now, I'll stick to LRCC until these bugs are figured out or I get more educated on LR. If Adobe could jigger its cloud to act like Dropbox I'd be in...but not now.

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Dec 9, 2023 03:35:32   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
I spent a bit of time on Lr vs. LRCC. Yes, in LR one can now simply select a local or a cloud stored photo and edit it. Much like any other editing program, I assume. But, what I do not see a way to do is to create an album that is not going to be cloud based, even if the album's photos are on a local drive. And, I see no way to create albums that are stored locally only. This sort of makes sense in that there has to be something (as in a catalog) that keeps all that info in a nice bundle and allows LR to use it. What Adobe appears to have done is to only allow albums that are cloud based for a reason...subscriptions to their exclusive cloud services. And, I cannot see a way to get photos that were in an album and move the photos to a local drive. If a photo is in an album, it is in the cloud....and it has to be Adobe's cloud. Remember, many companies make more on their cloud activities than they do on other products.

If I involve LRCC, I can edit in LR mobile on my iPhone when I am traveling, create an album which is in the cloud, go to my desktop, open LRCC which also shows albums, move the photos (always in LR) to a folder of my choosing, and they are in my catalog with all edits! A very cool way to do business.

The other thing I do not see in LR that LRCC has is facial recognition. Perhaps it is there, but I can't find it. Although a pain to do sometimes, it has come in handy for me in a lot of ways.

For now, I'll stick to LRCC until these bugs are figured out or I get more educated on LR. If Adobe could jigger its cloud to act like Dropbox I'd be in...but not now.
I spent a bit of time on Lr vs. LRCC. Yes, in LR ... (show quote)


I think you mean LRC. LRCC was for Lightroom Creative Cloud which is what they called the cloud version before it just became LR.

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