Retina
Loc: Near Charleston,SC
Funny anecdote: During an immunization lecture in a D.C. med school in the '80s, the MD professor was telling the class about the importance of vaccination compliance. During Q/A one of the class members asked the doctor about his own vaccinations. He did not hesitate to tell the class he decided to rely on herd immunity for himself and his family. It got quite a laugh.
I did and still remember the day, as there was one student who through a huge fit about getting the shop, but did.
"The fact that he names (Fauci, Gates, CDC, NIH, NAIAD, Johns Hopkins and more) with loads of facts and citations to same AND that he hasn't been sued to oblivion by any of those miscreants tells us what he wrote is in fact, factual."
The fact that he has not yet been sued does not automatically mean that his assertions are correct. We have the First Amendment right to express our opinions even if they are totally off the wall and wrong-headed as long as they don't cross the line and represent examples of defamation or slander.
Klickitatdave wrote:
"The fact that he names (Fauci, Gates, CDC, NIH, NAIAD, Johns Hopkins and more) with loads of facts and citations to same AND that he hasn't been sued to oblivion by any of those miscreants tells us what he wrote is in fact, factual."
The fact that he has not yet been sued does not automatically mean that his assertions are correct. We have the First Amendment right to express our opinions even if they are totally off the wall and wrong-headed as long as they don't cross the line and represent examples of defamation or slander.
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Sure, but given the book has been out for over ayear, do you really thing none of those lovely folks would not be sending busloads of lawyers to Kennedy to sue for libel - except that it's all true?
No, unless anything that he wrote or said crossed that line that separates freedom of speech from libel or slander then there would be no basis for a lawsuit. The fact that the entities that you mentioned have not filed lawsuits does not in and by itself establish that what he wrote is accurate or even true. I was not taking a position one way or another in my response to what you wrote, only that lawsuits have nothing to do with the veracity of his assertions.
Klickitatdave wrote:
No, unless anything that he wrote or said crossed that line that separates freedom of speech from libel or slander then there would be no basis for a lawsuit. The fact that the entities that you mentioned have not filed lawsuits does not in and by itself establish that what he wrote is accurate or even true. I was not taking a position one way or another in my response to what you wrote, only that lawsuits have nothing to do with the veracity of his assertions.
Well, perhaps it would help to actually read the book and determine if what he states might rise to the level of libel...just sayin'
My best friend had the first case of polio ever cured in the state of Illinois. It left her body terribly twisted and got so much worse over the years that now, in her 70s she can't straighten up enough to walk so she is in a wheel chair.
So true that the polio vaccine would be an impossibly tall hill to climb today. Especially since the first release actually gave some people polio! The formulation was flawed. And yet we got thru it together.
Man, that peak Covid time with the RNA vaccines being new and all... weird time, huh?
f8lee wrote:
Well, perhaps it would help to actually read the book and determine if what he states might rise to the level of libel...just sayin'
Irrevelant, again my response was not aimed at addressing the validity or lack thereof of the premise of his book. What I was pointing out is that the lack of lawsuits is not a valid measure of the absolute correctness of his conclusions. In any event, I am not a legal scholar so I do not have the expertise to determine whether or not he crossed the threshold of being guilty of libel. If he is correct in his allegations then the facts will ultimately bear him out. As far as my own opinions regarding this debate, I will always follow the science and not engage in useless emotional arguments. I do not need the aggravation and stress that this brings into my life.
I was born in 1936... when old enough to understand, we lived in silent constant fear.
rcarol wrote:
I didn't get a polio shot. I got the sugar cube treatment.
That's my story as well.....YUM YUM.
Horseart wrote:
My best friend had the first case of polio ever cured in the state of Illinois. It left her body terribly twisted and got so much worse over the years that now, in her 70s she can't straighten up enough to walk so she is in a wheel chair.
My brother, just two and a half years younger than me, got polio in 1957. He and all of us are so thankful that we already had the three Salk injections. As soon as Mom was told that a fourth one was needed, we all marched into the doctor and got that one. Then a couple of years later when the Sabin one was offered on sugar cubes at our local elementary school after church on four Sundays in a row, we dutifully stopped there and all of us got those, too.
My brother had foot drop badly enough that he had surgery to bring a muscle from the back of his leg and pull it around and fasten it to the top of his foot. Today, if he gets really tired, one can notice he has a limp. Otherwise, he is doing very well.
We were poor enough that the Easter Seals people came and gave free PT to my brother after he came out of the hospital. We are very thankful for that organization and those he gave to it. All in all, we thank God for hisprotection, healing and grace. --Richard
I had the polio sugar cube. Shots were given in schools
As an adult we still need some boosters for certain shots. Like tetanus.
profbowman wrote:
My brother, just two and a half years younger than me, got polio in 1957. He and all of us are so thankful that we already had the three Salk injections. As soon as Mom was told that a fourth one was needed, we all marched into the doctor and got that one. Then a couple of years later when the Sabin one was offered on sugar cubes at our local elementary school after church on four Sundays in a row, we dutifully stopped there and all of us got those, too.
My brother had foot drop badly enough that he had surgery to bring a muscle from the back of his leg and pull it around and fasten it to the top of his foot. Today, if he gets really tired, one can notice he has a limp. Otherwise, he is doing very well.
We were poor enough that the Easter Seals people came and gave free PT to my brother after he came out of the hospital. We are very thankful for that organization and those he gave to it. All in all, we thank God for hisprotection, healing and grace. --Richard
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My aunt was aided for her entire life by The March of Dimes Foundation (National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis). They provided all the equipment she needed to survive, from 1952, until she passed away in 1997. She had, at various times, an iron lung, a number of different chest respirators, and finally a ventilator after she had a tracheostomy. They paid for hospital stays and transportation to and from rehab facilities, and prescription drugs for her needs. The U.S. Air Force also provided transportation to and from rehab at Sam Houston Medical Center.
For all the rehab involved, it was counterproductive in many respects. Rehab called for muscle compensation, that is, "training" certain muscle groups to "take over" what other muscle groups lost. End the end, it caused those compensatory muscle groups to have shortened effectiveness for their original purposes.
My parents also helped collect for the March of Dimes.
An anecdote is apropos - We grew up in Louisville, and lived across the street from the largest house of ill-repute in the state. Anna Haines was the madam, and she would come to my grandparents' home and make a donation of several hundreds of dollars to the March of Dimes every year. For a hard-hearted woman, she had a very soft spot for those who were in need.
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