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Dec 5, 2023 08:59:40   #
FrumCA
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Corker has already been caught lying about alleged evidence.

No one should trust Cormer to conduct any hearing behind closed doors!

You have rhe narrative down pat. Congrats. We shall see.

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Dec 5, 2023 10:25:59   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
FrumCA wrote:
Yes. I acknowledged that. You don't think the truth won't come out in a closed door hearing? You are evidently under the impression that closed door hearings are the exception. How naive.



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Dec 5, 2023 11:20:40   #
dakotacheryl Loc: Near Mt Rushmore
 
This is how all subpoenas are usually handled. In closed door session first. No 5 minute time limit like in public session. The witness answering the question can take as long as he/she needs to ANSWER the question. Not spend the 5 minute limit hemming and hawing and asking to have the question repeated, and then not even answer the question.

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Dec 5, 2023 11:38:18   #
FrumCA
 
dakotacheryl wrote:
This is how all subpoenas are usually handled. In closed door session first. No 5 minute time limit like in public session. The witness answering the question can take as long as he/she needs to ANSWER the question. Not spend the 5 minute limit hemming and hawing and asking to have the question repeated, and then not even answer the question.

Thank you!! This should clear up the poont about grandstanding i tried to make earlier ( but not very well - )

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Dec 5, 2023 11:41:37   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Texcaster wrote:
That's the Jesse Waters and the Murdochs line. The truth is Comer and the other MAGA stooges won't be able to lie about and spin proceedings behind closed doors as they're very relaxed comfortable about doing.


Of course both sides will trip over their own dicks to get to the mic to spin but if you read rule 15 in the link below you will see the rules are quite clear as to how the questioning and testimony is required to be recorded by a stenographer who certifies the transcript (which will be made available to all parties) is true and correctly recorded. Additionally, all parties have the opportunity to review any formal report for five days prior to release. Biden is allowed two private attorneys to object to any questions (or I would assume assert the 5th if they deem it appropriate). https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/118th-Committee-Rules.pdf

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Dec 5, 2023 11:53:17   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The truth will be hidden by the GOP if they choose a closed door hearing over a public hearing.

Why do you think that Cormer is pushing for a closed door hearing in the first place?

There are no state secrets, or classified information involved in the Hunter Biden investigation, so WHY is the GOP trying to hide their investigation from the public?

Hint; because they've got virtually nothing, and the GOP doesn't want the public to know that their absolute farce of an investigation has been a total failure from day one.

Cormer wants to control the "narative" released to the public by keeping the hearing behind closed doors.

How many times have you heard Cormer state that there's "new evidence", only to have that alleged "new evidence" debunked by the Democrats on the committee?
The truth will be hidden by the GOP if they choose... (show quote)


Your favorite book must be “The Prince” (Machiavelli)

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Dec 5, 2023 21:09:52   #
gorgehiker Loc: Lexington, Ky
 
FrumCA wrote:
around lying Joe Biden's neck?? Looks like it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bank-records-show-direct-monthly-payment-from-hunter-biden-s-corporation-to-joe-biden/ar-AA1kZhPs?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=87085fffe6084a06838b5fd75f6820b8&ei=49


A corporation owned and controlled by Hunter Biden made several direct monthly payments to President Biden beginning in 2018, according to bank records released by the House Oversight Committee on Monday.

The subpoenaed bank records obtained by National Review reveal Owasco PC established a monthly payment of $1,380 to President Biden beginning in September 2018. The committee says the payments establish a direct benefit Biden received from his family’s foreign business dealings, despite Biden’s claims that he has never benefitted from or been involved in his son’s ventures.

“This wasn’t a payment from Hunter Biden’s personal account but an account for his corporation that received payments from China and other shady corners of the world,” House Oversight chairman James Comer says in a new video detailing the findings. “At this moment, Hunter Biden is under an investigation by the Department of Justice for using Owasco PC for tax evasion and other serious crimes.”

Comer says the payments “are part of a pattern revealing Joe Biden knew about, participated in, and benefited from his family’s influence peddling schemes.”

“As the Bidens received millions from foreign nationals and companies in China, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, and Kazakhstan, Joe Biden dined with his family’s foreign associates, spoke to them by speakerphone, had coffee, attended meetings, and ultimately received payments that were funded by his family’s business dealings,” the committee added in a press release.
around lying Joe Biden's neck?? Looks like it. b... (show quote)


Uh, less than $1400 a month for three months. Big difference between that and "millions". Oh, by the way, Jared Kushner did actually receive millions from the murderous crowned prince of Saud Arabia.

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Dec 5, 2023 22:17:24   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Effate wrote:
Of course both sides will trip over their own dicks to get to the mic to spin but if you read rule 15 in the link below you will see the rules are quite clear as to how the questioning and testimony is required to be recorded by a stenographer who certifies the transcript (which will be made available to all parties) is true and correctly recorded. Additionally, all parties have the opportunity to review any formal report for five days prior to release. Biden is allowed two private attorneys to object to any questions (or I would assume assert the 5th if they deem it appropriate). https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/118th-Committee-Rules.pdf
Of course both sides will trip over their own dick... (show quote)



So why no a public hearing ??

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Dec 6, 2023 01:33:40   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
DennyT wrote:
So why no a public hearing ??


He said there will be a public hearing. Probably too much to sift through so they probably want to narrow down the issues and present what they think will be most impactful for the public shit show just like 1/6. Maybe in the closed door hearings they will discover they don’t have the evidence to crucify anyone so they will shut it down before embarrassing themselves publicly. Have some patience and let it play out. What is said in the closed hearing will be a matter of record. We do need to know the truth no matter where it leads (like today when Director Wray admitted they knew the laptop hard drive was veracious before the election).

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Dec 6, 2023 03:04:30   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Effate wrote:
He said there will be a public hearing. Probably too much to sift through so they probably want to narrow down the issues and present what they think will be most impactful for the public shit show just like 1/6. Maybe in the closed door hearings they will discover they don’t have the evidence to crucify anyone so they will shut it down before embarrassing themselves publicly. Have some patience and let it play out. What is said in the closed hearing will be a matter of record. We do need to know the truth no matter where it leads (like today when Director Wray admitted they knew the laptop hard drive was veracious before the election).
He said there will be a public hearing. Probably ... (show quote)


That’s not what I meant sorry.
What’s wrong with just having a public
Hearing ?

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Dec 6, 2023 05:45:44   #
dakotacheryl Loc: Near Mt Rushmore
 
DennyT wrote:
That’s not what I meant sorry.
What’s wrong with just having a public
Hearing ?


What part of my answer above was confusing?? I repeat:

"This is how all subpoenas are usually handled. In closed door session first. No 5 minute time limit like in public session. The witness answering the question can take as long as he/she needs to ANSWER the question. Not spend the 5 minute limit hemming and hawing and asking to have the question repeated, and then not even answer the question."

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Dec 6, 2023 09:08:51   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Ok but who can blame Biden after the way Comer has behaved. Like public ally portraying a car loan payment as evidence of wrngvdoing.

People speak of “ witch hunt “.. this is the epitome of a witch-hunt

But make no bones about it there is no rule supporting a closed hearing versus a public hearing

Here are the house rules

https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20060613_RL30539_52b6f2dcc8597e530d6de8e3eb0f1e9dc49d9884.pdf

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Dec 6, 2023 09:36:20   #
FrumCA
 
DennyT wrote:
Ok but who can blame Biden after the way Comer has behaved. Like public ally portraying a car loan payment as evidence of wrngvdoing.

People speak of “ witch hunt “.. this is the epitome of a witch-hunt

But make no bones about it there is no rule supporting a closed hearing versus a public hearing

Here are the house rules

https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20060613_RL30539_52b6f2dcc8597e530d6de8e3eb0f1e9dc49d9884.pdf

First - the real issue is where did the money come from!

Second - Evidently you stopped reading when your position was satisfied. As Paul Harvey used to say, "here's the rest of the story". Don't you just hate it when you are corrected??

Closing a Hearing

The vast majority of committee hearings are open to the public, as required
under House rules; but House rules permit committees to close a hearing for specific
reasons, and outline the procedure for doing so (House Rule XI, clauses 2(g)(2) and
2(k)(5)). A hearing may be closed to the public “because disclosure of testimony,
evidence, or other matters to be considered would endanger the national security,
would compromise sensitive law enforcement information, or would violate any law
or rule of the House of Representatives.” In order to close all or part of a hearing, a
committee must vote by roll call in open session and with a majority present. When
a quorum is present for taking testimony, however, a committee may vote to close a
hearing (1) because the anticipated testimony at an investigative hearing “may tend
to defame, degrade, or incriminate any person,”; or (2) solely to discuss whether there
is reason to continue the hearing in closed session.

House rules permit most committees to close a hearing on a specific day and on
one subsequent day of hearings. The Committees on Appropriations, Armed
Services, and Intelligence, however, may vote to close their hearings for five
additional, consecutive days of hearings.

Members of the House generally may attend, but not participate in, hearings of
committees (except the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct) on which they
do not serve. Nevertheless, the House may vote to authorize a committee to use
procedures for closing a hearing to the public to close hearings to Members not on
the committee as well.

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Dec 6, 2023 09:48:34   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
FrumCA wrote:
First - the real issue is where did the money come from!

Second - Evidently you stopped reading when your position was satisfied. As Paul Harvey used to say, "here's the rest of the story". Don't you just hate it when you are corrected??

Closing a Hearing

The vast majority of committee hearings are open to the public, as required
under House rules; but House rules permit committees to close a hearing for specific
reasons, and outline the procedure for doing so (House Rule XI, clauses 2(g)(2) and
2(k)(5)). A hearing may be closed to the public “because disclosure of testimony,
evidence, or other matters to be considered would endanger the national security,
would compromise sensitive law enforcement information, or would violate any law
or rule of the House of Representatives.” In order to close all or part of a hearing, a
committee must vote by roll call in open session and with a majority present. When
a quorum is present for taking testimony, however, a committee may vote to close a
hearing (1) because the anticipated testimony at an investigative hearing “may tend
to defame, degrade, or incriminate any person,”; or (2) solely to discuss whether there
is reason to continue the hearing in closed session.

House rules permit most committees to close a hearing on a specific day and on
one subsequent day of hearings. The Committees on Appropriations, Armed
Services, and Intelligence, however, may vote to close their hearings for five
additional, consecutive days of hearings.

Members of the House generally may attend, but not participate in, hearings of
committees (except the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct) on which they
do not serve. Nevertheless, the House may vote to authorize a committee to use
procedures for closing a hearing to the public to close hearings to Members not on
the committee as well.
First - the real issue is where did the money come... (show quote)



Majority is not all and in this case , given Comers intellectual dishonesty I believe a public hearing is warranted.

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Dec 6, 2023 12:20:09   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
DennyT wrote:
Majority is not all and in this case , given Comers intellectual dishonesty I believe a public hearing is warranted.


You seem to be suggesting that political bias is novel in any of these so called investigations. Firstly, if the appropriate law enforcement agencies would properly investigate these matters in a timely manner and take the appropriate action in referring them to the attorney general or DA (with jurisdiction if a state case) then it would neuter much of the political nonsense these committees, on both sides, choose to exploit. Secondly, as a demonstration of political noise (and I am not inferring that he isn’t guilty or won’t suffer a conviction) let me ask you. If Trump, after his defeat, would have faded into the sunset, kept his big mouth shut, accepted his “persona non grata” status (which we all know is an impossible ask) do you think he would have been charged in these cases? The answer is probably not. His opposition wants/needs to bloody him up enough to insure he never hold the reins again.

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