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Dec 5, 2023 13:35:50   #
mikex
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
In September I was in Pisa and Lucca before hiking through Tuscany with a day off in Sienna and then two days in Rome and I shot pretty much the entire trip with my 12-100 f/4 on my OM-1. It was great in the Duomo in Sienna and Saint Peter’s Basilica. You’ll be fine.


Hi Superfly TNT. Much appreciated for the first hand info. Thanks. Mike X in Las Vegas

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Dec 5, 2023 13:58:29   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
mikex wrote:
Hello folks on UHH. My wife and I are traveling to Italy this month for 2 weeks. It’s an organized tour. Rome , Venice, Pompeii,Florence. I’m taking a Sony A7riiia, 20-70 f4 and a 70-200 f4. Will the F4 lenses be good enough for interior cathedrals etc…. I’m a novice and have no experience with interior architecture etc…. Should I bring a batis 18 f2.8 or a Sony 35 f1.4 gm for low light ? Prefer to travel light. Thanks in advance.

f4 should work well with the A7R III; however, the 35mm f1.4 would give you slightly more flexibility.

bwa

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Dec 5, 2023 14:09:33   #
imagextrordinair Loc: Halden, Norway
 
mikex wrote:
Hello folks on UHH. My wife and I are traveling to Italy this month for 2 weeks. It’s an organized tour. Rome , Venice, Pompeii,Florence. I’m taking a Sony A7riiia, 20-70 f4 and a 70-200 f4. Will the F4 lenses be good enough for interior cathedrals etc…. I’m a novice and have no experience with interior architecture etc…. Should I bring a batis 18 f2.8 or a Sony 35 f1.4 gm for low light ? Prefer to travel light. Thanks in advance.


Lots of great advice, but a 24mm TS lens is a good way to be successful if you want to go beyond simple picture taking. You can adjust and compose interior images much like what would have been the normal practice back at the dawn of photography. too bad tilting and shifting is such a forgotten art form...

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Dec 5, 2023 14:16:52   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
Jimmy T wrote:
I have found cathedral interiors are lit well enough to support a quality camera body/F4 lens like you have.
Remember, tours move rather briskly and there is little time to swap out lenses, and you don't want to be "That Guy/Gal" holding up the tour causing others to miss seeing the sights.
In such cases, I would shoot interiors at F4 (wide open), use the reciprocal shutter speed rule (1 over the length of the lens, 1/60 sec for the 12-70mm lens), and set the ISO setting to "Auto".
Now you "have the shot" and it will not be blurry (Shutter Speed - set too slow) and your Depth of Field will be good using F4.
Important to note that "Noise" is "Fixable" and "Blur" and "Focus" are not.
When you return home you may correct "Noise" in post-processing using PhotoShop, Topaz Photo AI, or another quality specialty editing program that will DeNoise/Sharpen your treasures.
Best Wishes for safe travels, take many pics and share your best with us here on UHH.
Remember to always . . . .
Smile,
JimmyT Sends

PS: Practice in any dimly lit place BEFORE you go to see what to expect and correct accordingly.
Also, consider the "P" and "A" settings on your camera body as they can be of great help in Lo-Light settings for such an Expen$ive Trip.
I expect to be severly Flogged for the previous comment, sigh.
I have found cathedral interiors are lit well enou... (show quote)


I think your recommendation about using A or P is a good one. Especially the P. I have used P quite often and found that being able to change the aperture of shutter speed a great help. Assuming one knows what the two are and how they relate to each other. I almost never set ISO to auto, 200 is my preferred setting.

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Dec 5, 2023 14:21:25   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
imagextrordinair wrote:
Lots of great advice, but a 24mm TS lens is a good way to be successful if you want to go beyond simple picture taking. You can adjust and compose interior images much like what would have been the normal practice back at the dawn of photography. too bad tilting and shifting is such a forgotten art form...


Not so much a forgotten art form. Most of the people on here are amateurs and TS lenses have traditionally been pretty expensive for something not used often. Especially since it wouldn’t be generating income. The advent of keystone control in PP is a boon, but I try to compose to best effect so adjustments are kept to a minimum.

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Dec 5, 2023 14:24:53   #
mikex
 
bwana wrote:
f4 should work well with the A7R III; however, the 35mm f1.4 would give you slightly more flexibility.

bwa


Thanks for the insight Bwana. Mike X in Las Vegas

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Dec 5, 2023 14:27:59   #
mikex
 
imagextrordinair wrote:
Lots of great advice, but a 24mm TS lens is a good way to be successful if you want to go beyond simple picture taking. You can adjust and compose interior images much like what would have been the normal practice back at the dawn of photography. too bad tilting and shifting is such a forgotten art form...


Thanks imagextrordinair. Doing the tilt shift lens sounds intriguing.

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Dec 5, 2023 16:05:17   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
mikex wrote:
Hello folks on UHH. My wife and I are traveling to Italy this month for 2 weeks. It’s an organized tour. Rome , Venice, Pompeii,Florence. I’m taking a Sony A7riiia, 20-70 f4 and a 70-200 f4. Will the F4 lenses be good enough for interior cathedrals etc…. I’m a novice and have no experience with interior architecture etc…. Should I bring a batis 18 f2.8 or a Sony 35 f1.4 gm for low light ? Prefer to travel light. Thanks in advance.


Higher ISO and IBIS are your friends but the 35 1.4 - YES !

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Dec 5, 2023 16:46:39   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
Three obvious considerations:

1. For interiors of such things as cathedrals, wide angle is better, wider is best. Wider lenses have better DOF inherently and cover the subject.

2. If you don't opt for the most depth of field you may later regret losing sharpness. The subject in such a case is at many, very different distances.

3. If you also have a smart phone such as a recent iPhone, take a panoramic shot as backup.

When I was shooting similar subjects (my film days) I would find something to brace against such as a pillow or a pew and go for long shutter speeds to allow better DOF, right up to "reciprocity failure". Today's digital cameras don't have any obvious such failure and the image stabilization is really good compared to none!

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Dec 5, 2023 16:53:45   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
When I'v traveled to Europe and Asia. I carry 2 lenses a 23 - 240 and a 100-400. Both fit with my camera in a pack the weighs about 10 lbs. I has covered me for years. I had a 5D and now R5.

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Dec 5, 2023 17:04:59   #
Tote1940 Loc: Dallas
 
With very high usable ISO values in today’s digital cameras f/ has more to do with depth of field than getting enough light.

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Dec 5, 2023 17:09:26   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
mikex wrote:
Hello folks on UHH. My wife and I are traveling to Italy this month for 2 weeks. It’s an organized tour. Rome , Venice, Pompeii,Florence. I’m taking a Sony A7riiia, 20-70 f4 and a 70-200 f4. Will the F4 lenses be good enough for interior cathedrals etc…. I’m a novice and have no experience with interior architecture etc…. Should I bring a batis 18 f2.8 or a Sony 35 f1.4 gm for low light ? Prefer to travel light. Thanks in advance.


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Bump your ISO up by one stop from where you normally use it and the lenses will work the same as f:/2.8 versions at your usual ISO.

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Dec 5, 2023 18:00:07   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
imagextrordinair wrote:
Lots of great advice, but a 24mm TS lens is a good way to be successful if you want to go beyond simple picture taking. You can adjust and compose interior images much like what would have been the normal practice back at the dawn of photography. too bad tilting and shifting is such a forgotten art form...


I agree that it is not talked about as much anymore, but it is not forgotten about. One of the reasons I bought the OM 7-14 f2.8 is because it is rectilinear. Since there are not a lot of shift lenses on the market anymore, that means rectilinear is the next best thing. It makes it "easy" to use an app to straighten slanted straight edges. I am hoping that OM brings out a shift lens in the future similar to the Olympus shift lens. But I am sure that it is fairly far down OM's list of things to do considering the amount of software out there.

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Dec 5, 2023 18:40:57   #
kcooke Loc: Alabama
 
The lens I have used most is a Tokina 16-28 f2.8 on canon 5D2 and 5D4. Any quality lens in this focal length range at f2.8 works great. Most of mine were shot in Mexico and also Israel. Most quality software has compensation adjustment for lenses with regards to any distortion concerns you may have

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Dec 5, 2023 19:08:29   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
mikex wrote:
Hello folks on UHH. My wife and I are traveling to Italy this month for 2 weeks. It’s an organized tour. Rome , Venice, Pompeii,Florence. I’m taking a Sony A7riiia, 20-70 f4 and a 70-200 f4. Will the F4 lenses be good enough for interior cathedrals etc…. I’m a novice and have no experience with interior architecture etc…. Should I bring a batis 18 f2.8 or a Sony 35 f1.4 gm for low light ? Prefer to travel light. Thanks in advance.
lots of suggestions for lenses and settings for you to peruse.

Here is a different idea, view images of cathedrals interiors and see what you like, which lenses were used for the ones you like.

You can search using Google or even start another thread requesting UHHers post their cathedrals interiors pics.

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