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Dec 4, 2023 09:26:34   #
Crysania Loc: Syracuse, NY
 
I do one of two things.

1. I use an expodisc and use the custom white balance feature. Basically I put the expodisc on my lens, shoot in the direction the light is coming from, then use that picture as a "grey card" to set the white balance (some cameras like my Sony that I used to have you just hit a button in the custom white balance and it evaluated it and picked the white balance, so it depends on the camera). It's been really good at getting me darned close to what I want, if not right on.

2. If it's something where I'm going to be indoors shooting in the same light all day, I go in with my laptop and its color calibrated screen. I eyeball the white balance and shoot a few that are a few clicks off of each other. I pull the card and look at the photos on my computer to decide the correct white balance. I did that this weekend for a three-day shoot in light that never changed. I locked in my settings on day 1 and never changed them. Now I have usable jpgs right out of the camera.

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Dec 4, 2023 10:17:47   #
Tomfl101 Loc: Mount Airy, MD
 
The color checkers I have tried never give me WB that I still don't have to tweak anyway, so why bother with them. I just eyeball the WB while adjusting Kelvin and tint as needed. In situations with mixed lighting I most often use auto WB and tweak in post. Proper color will always be subjective. Some like it warm, some like it cold. Go with what you like for any particular scene.

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Dec 4, 2023 13:05:52   #
srg
 
SHWeiss wrote:


Thanks for posting the link to this excellent article. So well explained.

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Dec 4, 2023 13:22:13   #
MJPerini
 
If people want to wing it on white balance it is not the end of the world, and modern cameras often get you close.
Personal pictures are just that, and if they are happy with the result, there is no problem.
We all do that from time to time.
If you do work for others, a higher standard than guessing at what you remember is probably a good Idea.
This is especially true because it is generally as easy as the OP placing a card in the scene to get a base white balance.
For your church pictures, at a minimum , before or after services while the lights are still on make an exposure of your card in each lighting area, make notes, then you know.
It is not really true that any white fabric or surface will give a good reading. Many fabrics & paints use optical brighteners with a strong UV component. There are many truly neutral white and gray cards that can work, and they are easy to keep in your bag. The Calibrate/X-Rite little color checker works well.
If you do use a gray card, be aware that Gray cards made for film were not neutral- and were meant for exposure only. In color science there is a whole scale for neutral Grays called the Musnell Gray scale.
But also, not all photographs NEED to be color accurate because Pleasing Color is sometimes more important.
We all make photographs where we want color to recreate how we felt in the moment.
BUT.....
Some work needs to be color accurate, and in those cases it should be.
When I did Product photography, I always provided the client with one test photo with (the original Macbeth Color Checker) the target included. Because they could use that with the printer who printed boxes or anyone else in the chain. My Wife & Daughter shoot Weddings and the clients are very particular about the color of the Brides maids dresses . Architectural Photography is another, getting skin tone just right in portraits, another Being able to match color is just part of the job in those cases. Pros scout locations and do test shots ALL the time.
So there is never one right way to do Photography, but some pictures need to be objectively accurate.
How accurate is up to you (and the client if there is one).
There is one last issue, and that is consistency of look in a group of pictures that will be displayed or published together. The only way to do that and make it repeatable, is to have some form of reference.
I hope this helps a bit

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Dec 4, 2023 13:38:38   #
Crysania Loc: Syracuse, NY
 
Yup all good points there.

I do sports event photography. I need to have a quick turn around to put these photos up on my website for sale. I basically want to be able to put up the SOOC JPGs (I shoot RAW + JPG). I don't have time to post-process all the photos. So my goal is to get the white balance where I like it in camera. Then it's just a matter of culling out photos. It's a lot less work for me.

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Dec 4, 2023 14:17:34   #
imagextrordinair Loc: Halden, Norway
 
WDCash wrote:
While photographing Wrens by a woodpile in the fall woods, in the shade, I began wondering what I would use for my "eyedropper " sample in LR to adjust my whitebalance. With the first set of images from the woods I played with the sliders to make the White feathers look white with no unnatural, to my eye, color hue or tint. It worked OK but was subjective and relied on my memory of what I thought I saw.

The next trip to the woodpile I took along my 3 little color cards and placed them near there I expected, hoped, my subject would land and made sure to include an image of the cards in my test shots while adjusting for exposure.
Later when I started processing the bird pics from the outing I used the picture of the White and Gray cards with the white balance eye droper to correct the white balance for all the images from that session. This was much quicker and easier and hopefully got me closer to the true colors. Hopefully.

This morning in church I was looking at the lighting on stage and wondering what a white balance challange a picture like the one I have attached, from my cell phone, will pose. Not an idle wonder because I have been asked to help out with collecting some candid photos for the church.
Obviously I could place my dandy little color cards somewhere on stage like I did at the woodpile.
Sitting and looking at the stage, other than the ceiling tiles overhead, I was having a hard time finding a "neutral" color to work with. Absent the color cards, what spot in this image would you select to use begin balancing the colors?

After uploading the picture I have found a couple usefull neutral spots I would or could use. But, in the interest of possibly learning something I'm going to see what advise this stirs up.
While photographing Wrens by a woodpile in the fal... (show quote)


Good tip...

Download a similar photo that appeals to you from google images. Import it to photoshop and adjust your white balance with "color balance" for an easy and similar adjustment. Works especially well for professional portraiture facial skin tones.

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Dec 4, 2023 15:19:55   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
User ID wrote:
You mentioned memory of what you thought you saw as if thaz not very trustworthy. For me, OTOH, thaz the Gold Standard.

I choose to make MY picture, not something based on an "objective" measurement, or on instrument readings.

I dont use much daylight (as shown below).


Not mentioned yet...when shooting a show on a stage, there is no white balance. The lighting director throws in color and luminance at whim to satisfy her creative desires. It comes down to shooting for the highlights and figuring out the white balance later. One thing that is pretty consistent is that reds and blues almost always over saturate. Often (actually most of the time) if you are having trouble figuring out the best white balance, you can desaturate the reds and blues a little, sometimes a lot, and many other colors, and the best exposure, will fall into place. This is not for a football game or a bride, but this is standard operating procedure for me to make a "show" reproduce in my photo files the way my eye perceived it.
...Cam

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Dec 4, 2023 16:02:09   #
WDCash Loc: Milford, Delaware, USA
 
MJPerini wrote:
If people want to wing it on white balance it is not the end of the world, and modern cameras often get you close.
Personal pictures are just that, and if they are happy with the result, there is no problem.
We all do that from time to time.
If you do work for others, a higher standard than guessing at what you remember is probably a good Idea.
This is especially true because it is generally as easy as the OP placing a card in the scene to get a base white balance.
For your church pictures, at a minimum , before or after services while the lights are still on make an exposure of your card in each lighting area, make notes, then you know.
It is not really true that any white fabric or surface will give a good reading. Many fabrics & paints use optical brighteners with a strong UV component. There are many truly neutral white and gray cards that can work, and they are easy to keep in your bag. The Calibrate/X-Rite little color checker works well.
If you do use a gray card, be aware that Gray cards made for film were not neutral- and were meant for exposure only. In color science there is a whole scale for neutral Grays called the Musnell Gray scale.
But also, not all photographs NEED to be color accurate because Pleasing Color is sometimes more important.
We all make photographs where we want color to recreate how we felt in the moment.
BUT.....
Some work needs to be color accurate, and in those cases it should be.
When I did Product photography, I always provided the client with one test photo with (the original Macbeth Color Checker) the target included. Because they could use that with the printer who printed boxes or anyone else in the chain. My Wife & Daughter shoot Weddings and the clients are very particular about the color of the Brides maids dresses . Architectural Photography is another, getting skin tone just right in portraits, another Being able to match color is just part of the job in those cases. Pros scout locations and do test shots ALL the time.
So there is never one right way to do Photography, but some pictures need to be objectively accurate.
How accurate is up to you (and the client if there is one).
There is one last issue, and that is consistency of look in a group of pictures that will be displayed or published together. The only way to do that and make it repeatable, is to have some form of reference.
I hope this helps a bit
If people want to wing it on white balance it is n... (show quote)


Great reply, Thanks

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Dec 4, 2023 16:20:35   #
Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I still have a credit card sized WB card in my wallet. I use to be religious about taking a WB shot. But honestly, it's now been years. I just edit the images to fit my desire, using the AWB of the camera and shooting RAW.



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Dec 4, 2023 21:58:25   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
WDCash wrote:
While photographing Wrens by a woodpile in the fall woods, in the shade, I began wondering what I would use for my "eyedropper " sample in LR to adjust my whitebalance. With the first set of images from the woods I played with the sliders to make the White feathers look white with no unnatural, to my eye, color hue or tint. It worked OK but was subjective and relied on my memory of what I thought I saw.

The next trip to the woodpile I took along my 3 little color cards and placed them near there I expected, hoped, my subject would land and made sure to include an image of the cards in my test shots while adjusting for exposure.
Later when I started processing the bird pics from the outing I used the picture of the White and Gray cards with the white balance eye droper to correct the white balance for all the images from that session. This was much quicker and easier and hopefully got me closer to the true colors. Hopefully.

This morning in church I was looking at the lighting on stage and wondering what a white balance challange a picture like the one I have attached, from my cell phone, will pose. Not an idle wonder because I have been asked to help out with collecting some candid photos for the church.
Obviously I could place my dandy little color cards somewhere on stage like I did at the woodpile.
Sitting and looking at the stage, other than the ceiling tiles overhead, I was having a hard time finding a "neutral" color to work with. Absent the color cards, what spot in this image would you select to use begin balancing the colors?

After uploading the picture I have found a couple usefull neutral spots I would or could use. But, in the interest of possibly learning something I'm going to see what advise this stirs up.
While photographing Wrens by a woodpile in the fal... (show quote)

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