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Sensor Size/Pixel Race Is Like Fighting The Last War ... Compact 1" Superzooms New Choice?
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Nov 28, 2023 18:42:07   #
druthven
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Diligence is the mother of good luck. Having a cropped-sensor camera is like dating your cousin.


I have a hard time telling whether your comments are tongue in cheek or not. I seem to believe that some of your comments that appear snide are really just tongue in cheek. I know you're sold on full frame mirrorless but please. Could you give us a code signal to tell the difference?

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Nov 28, 2023 19:26:39   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
But if you cousin is trim and light weight better on vacations than you heavy full sensor neighbor and her three heavy lenses.

With my light weight cousin tight in my pocket and my heavy neighbor at home, I photograph opportunity as I roam.

With AI processing our perception is that my 1" cousin with her self contained zoom lens is as beautiful as my heavy neighbor and three lens family. The times they are a changin'

Dylan would write anew about cameras he would say this about cameras being true.

Come photography critics get on the ball
One inch will do well for one and all
Who prophesize with your pen
keep your eyes wide light for old men
Heavy speak too soon knees protest
For cousin's lens is still extending it is best
And there's no tellin' who makes the best
That it's namin' Nikon Canon in the brew
I recommend Panasonic Superzoom to you
For the one inch loser now
Will be later to win AI is how
For the times they are a-changin'

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Nov 28, 2023 20:00:25   #
PhotoMono123 Loc: Houston, Texas
 
Walking away from the camera/lens issue itself, allow me, as an octogenarian, to recommend a Cotton Carrier harness. After several health issues, I found I no longer was comfortable with my regular way of carrying my camera which was a wrist strap. I have always detested neck straps, so I went looking for something else.

The Cotton Carrier allows all the camera weight on both shoulders and the torso core. The distribution makes a heavy kit pretty easy to handle. And the camera is kept in near the chest and does not swing about. I find I can walk about with my camera with a battery grip and a pretty heavy, "built-like-a-tank" vintage (1980s) lens.

There are alternatives to the CC, but I cannot speak to them as I really never looked at them. However, they are successful products and you may to consider them.

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Nov 28, 2023 20:14:38   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
dpullum wrote:
Yes, correct: The sensor in the ZS200 has a native aspect ratio of 3:2 - the same as most DSLRs. But it was designed to offer 4:3, 3:2,16:9 and 1:1 aspect ..

The sensor in the ZS200 has a native aspect ratio of 3:2 - the same as most DSLRs. But it was designed to offer 4:3, 3:2,16:9 and 1:1 aspect ratios. It does this by utilizing the widest or tallest dimension of the 3:2 sensor and ignoring the unused pixels as shown in the table above.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4281008


You can use only part of the sensor with any camera to get different aspect ratios.

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Nov 28, 2023 23:40:04   #
rcarol
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Diligence is the mother of good luck. Having a cropped-sensor camera is like dating your cousin.


Have you seen my cousin? Wow!

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Nov 29, 2023 06:03:05   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
dpullum wrote:
But if you cousin is trim and light weight better on vacations than you heavy full sensor neighbor and her three heavy lenses.

With my light weight cousin tight in my pocket and my heavy neighbor at home, I photograph opportunity as I roam.

With AI processing our perception is that my 1" cousin with her self contained zoom lens is as beautiful as my heavy neighbor and three lens family. The times they are a changin'

Dylan would write anew about cameras he would say this about cameras being true.

Come photography critics get on the ball
One inch will do well for one and all
Who prophesize with your pen
keep your eyes wide light for old men
Heavy speak too soon knees protest
For cousin's lens is still extending it is best
And there's no tellin' who makes the best
That it's namin' Nikon Canon in the brew
I recommend Panasonic Superzoom to you
For the one inch loser now
Will be later to win AI is how
For the times they are a-changin'
But if you cousin is trim and light weight better ... (show quote)


Love it. I sang Dylan's song in my head as I read it. LOL.

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Nov 29, 2023 06:07:03   #
BebuLamar
 
I use the FF always. Not MF either because all formats have crop factor (including medium format) except the FF.

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Nov 29, 2023 06:30:24   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Yes that is a solution for big cameras for going on planned shoots. The compact superzoom fit in a pocket or belt pack and is there or spontaneous happenings.

AS PhotoMono123 suggested: Nicama Multi Camera Carrying Chest Harness with front & Side Holster $36 Amazon

Fstop, Glad you like the mod of Dylan's song. Back when I was a boy of only 70 I taught, and the English Teacher was flabbergasted that I told the students that Bob Dylan was a great modern poet. Wish she was around to apologize to me when he won the Poet Laureate of USA and the Nobel Prize. Amazing huh ~!!

"The 2016 Nobel Prize in Literature was awarded to the American singer-songwriter Bob Dylan (born 1941) "for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition". The prize was announced by the Swedish Academy on 13 October 2016. He is the 12th Nobel laureate from the United States."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nobel_Prize_in_Literature

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Nov 29, 2023 06:48:40   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I use the FF always. Not MF either because all formats have crop factor (including medium format) except the FF.


Hidden from the world is the [2015 intro] Nikon 1 series with inter changeable lenses and a 1" sensor. if other lenses attached with an adapter then it has a 2.8 "crop factor. The spare photons eaten by black surfaces as Planck's law of blackbody radiation formulated in 1901.

I converted one to do IR ... it was simple to do...on my second try

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Nov 29, 2023 06:51:21   #
BebuLamar
 
dpullum wrote:
Hidden from the world is the [2015 intro]b Nikon 1 series with inter changeable lenses and a 1" sensor. if other lenses attached with an adapter then it has a 2.8 "crop factor. The spare photons eaten by black surfaces as Planck's law of blackbody radiation formulated in 1901.

I converted one to do IR ... it was simple to do...on my second try
Hidden from the world is the 2015 intro b Nikon 1... (show quote)


Well the Nikon 1 didn't sell well. But now in the used market they seem to demand rather high prices.

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Nov 29, 2023 06:56:10   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
dpullum wrote:
Yes that is a solution for big cameras for going on planned shoots. The compact superzoom fit in a pocket or belt pack and is there or spontaneous happenings.

AS PhotoMono123 suggested: Nicama Multi Camera Carrying Chest Harness with front & Side Holster $36 Amazon

Fstop, Glad you like the mod of Dylan's song. Back when I was a boy of only 70 I taught, and the English Teacher was flabbergasted that I told the students that Bob Dylan was a great modern poet. Wish she was around to apologize to me when he won the Poet Laureate of USA and the Nobel Prize. Amazing huh ~!!

"The 2016 Nobel Prize in Literature was awarded to the American singer-songwriter Bob Dylan (born 1941) "for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition". The prize was announced by the Swedish Academy on 13 October 2016. He is the 12th Nobel laureate from the United States."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nobel_Prize_in_Literature
Yes that is a solution for big cameras for going o... (show quote)


I have always considere Dylan a poet. I enjoy listening to his early years. As a side note, when my wife and I travel we always try to take a photo of a Manhole cover in the town or city we are walking around it. We place our feet in the shot to represent where we have been. On a past trip we photographed the Dylan cover in Duluth,MN.


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Nov 29, 2023 07:17:10   #
ELNikkor
 
Great idea and nice photo of the Dylan man-hole cover! Yes, good discussion about how each of us manages the choices which are presented by the weight, size, features, cost, quality factors of our equipment when balanced by the reduced ability to manage these factors, due to advancing age and the inhibitors that naturally come with it. Everyone is free to make the choices they themselves are comfortable with. So far, my FF with a tidy short zoom is still manageable and gives sufficient choices to cover everything from daily documenting life to awesome poster-size, marketable images.
That said, I still remember my first foray into digital, when a sleek, pocketable, waterproof Pentax Wipio replaced my Olympus XA as my "always there, don't leave home without it" camera. That little Pentax took images that I still treasure, and now can sharpen, denoise, and impixelate to my heart's content, should I ever need to make more giant prints that it could natively do. Probably something like a small Sony (or even my new Pixel 7a) will blow that Pentax into the weeds, so take heart, as long as we can still lift a fork or burger, there will be a camera we can use to take good photos on our live's journeys.

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Nov 29, 2023 07:36:16   #
agillot
 
It s like binoculars , 50 40 30 mm size , yet same 10 or more or less power . Like if you dont print or blowup your picture , a 6 mp camera does fine .

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Nov 29, 2023 08:04:38   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
ELNikkor wrote:
Great idea and nice photo of the Dylan man-hole cover! Yes, good discussion about how each of us manages the choices which are presented by the weight, size, features, cost, quality factors of our equipment when balanced by the reduced ability to manage these factors, due to advancing age and the inhibitors that naturally come with it. Everyone is free to make the choices they themselves are comfortable with. So far, my FF with a tidy short zoom is still manageable and gives sufficient choices to cover everything from daily documenting life to awesome poster-size, marketable images.
That said, I still remember my first foray into digital, when a sleek, pocketable, waterproof Pentax Wipio replaced my Olympus XA as my "always there, don't leave home without it" camera. That little Pentax took images that I still treasure, and now can sharpen, denoise, and impixelate to my heart's content, should I ever need to make more giant prints that it could natively do. Probably something like a small Sony (or even my new Pixel 7a) will blow that Pentax into the weeds, so take heart, as long as we can still lift a fork or burger, there will be a camera we can use to take good photos on our live's journeys.
Great idea and nice photo of the Dylan man-hole co... (show quote)



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Nov 29, 2023 09:12:02   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Just like shooting raw, large high MP sensors are becoming LESS relevant everyday.

What is relevant is the desire to carry less weight and bulk. For serious telephoto/macro work this means APSC. For serious landscape work - full frame. Everything else, 1 inch sensor. IMO, M4/3 is not good enough for serious telephoto work and not that much better than 1 inch - if you are serious bout size/weight ! So, for me M4/3 falls into no man's land.

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