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Nov 24, 2023 08:30:13   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
dustie wrote:
Do they have pics taken in daylight with that same camera setup, same position, height, angle, etc., so it would be possible to look at what objects may be visible in mid- and background?

Probably the answer to this one is "no"...is there any cropping that's been done to the image you show?

It's an interesting case to consider and reconsider.


I will ask about a daylight pic to help see the possible scene. There was no cropping done. Obtaining more info is being delayed due to the holiday and travel. Thx so much for your interest and ideas!

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Nov 24, 2023 08:57:10   #
FastHorses Loc: The Bluegrass
 
Makes me think of a double exposure...

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Nov 24, 2023 11:35:20   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
Mario22 wrote:
They are positive that it wasn’t there.


The image is dark and the second deer behind the first and facing in the opposite direction might not have been noticed when shooting. It seems quite possible they were positive about it not being there but they were mistaken.

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Nov 24, 2023 11:43:39   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Mario22 wrote:
So, a neighbor of a friend, captured a photo of a buck in their backyard with a field camera. What’s strange is the red deer projected behind the buck. It really wasn’t there, but where did it come from? Where did the red coloring in the photo come from? Something to do with field cam lighting to focus?

More info:
The field cam was about 12 feet from the buck.
There’s a small storage garage about 13-14 feet to the right of the buck.
Where the red deer is projected is wetlands.
My friend’s shed is about 15 feet to the left of the buck.
They have solar lights on the other side (backside?) of the shed.
Also on the other side of the shed is a huge wooden Moose sculpture.

At first I thought it had something to do with a reflection or mirrored effect and thought the red light must be from the field cam. However, I wonder about the influence of the wetlands, the solar lights and the Moose sculpture. I know the quality if the field cam photo isn’t very good. I can see the red deer but not the big moose head. Any help figuring out how this photo might have occurred would be appreciated.
When she looks to the left of the red deer, there appears to be the head of the moose but way out of proportion.
So, a neighbor of a friend, captured a photo of a ... (show quote)


Today when I look at this again, it seems to be simply a second, larger deer standing in the dark just outside the range of the light.

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Nov 24, 2023 16:47:01   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Trying a little more subtle moving of some adjustment sliders takes me back to Grahame's look on page 4. --. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/tpr?p=14297441&t=792684

Grahame shows what can be Deer 1, Deer 2, Deer 3, Deer 4.
Deer 1 is pretty obvious.

Not certain where the yellow outline of Deer 2 body actually should be. Seems it was not illuminated to the same level as Deer 3 and 4.

Deer 3, outlined in white, appears to have some portions of lower legs/feet visible.

Deer 4 shows a flank and hind leg.

The green line marks what appears to be where the ground drops down in the more faint image of Deer 2, 3, and 4.

If any of this is close to the truth, it is understandably conceivable there is a double image here, but the camera position and subject to camera distance do not seem to be identical in both.
There is also a distinct horizontal line straight across the upper portion quite near the top (if you look closely), which seems to indicate double exposure where the two images are not indexed exactly alike in that upper area.



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Nov 24, 2023 17:43:39   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
dustie wrote:
Trying a little more subtle moving of some adjustment sliders takes me back to Grahame's look on page 4. --. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/tpr?p=14297441&t=792684

Grahame shows what can be Deer 1, Deer 2, Deer 3, Deer 4.
Deer 1 is pretty obvious.

Not certain where the yellow outline of Deer 2 body actually should be. Seems it was not illuminated to the same level as Deer 3 and 4.

Deer 3, outlined in white, appears to have some portions of lower legs/feet visible.

Deer 4 shows a flank and hind leg.

The green line marks what appears to be where the ground drops down in the more faint image of Deer 2, 3, and 4.

If any of this is close to the truth, it is understandably conceivable there is a double image here, but the camera position and subject to camera distance do not seem to be identical in both.
There is also a distinct horizontal line straight across the upper portion quite near the top (if you look closely), which seems to indicate double exposure where the two images are not indexed exactly alike in that upper area.
Trying a little more subtle moving of some adjustm... (show quote)

Good work outlining them and here's how I had interpreted Deer 2. Not being a Deer expert, what is the possibility of Deer 1 with the antlers being that physical size compared to the others behind it?


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Nov 24, 2023 18:13:55   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Grahame wrote:
Good work outlining them and here's how I had interpreted Deer 2. Not being a Deer expert, what is the possibility of Deer 1 with the antlers being that physical size compared to the others behind it?


Ahhhhh.....perfectly reasonable interpretation of Deer 2 !!

If there is that much size disparity between deer 1 and the others while the subject-to-camera distance and camera position parameters are in the same frame at the same time, it shows a very interesting case of either a very nicely proportioned, definitely undersized buck in front of some probably normal deer, or a normal deer in front of some unusually large framed specimens.

Do you see the horizontal line across the upper porttion of the frame? Does it seem like it may indicate two separate frames not stacked exactly with matching borders?

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Nov 24, 2023 18:19:20   #
Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington
 
Basil wrote:
My opinion, the deer was right there and they just didn't see it because it was dark out. The red flash assist light was just bright enough to illuminated it in the picture.



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Nov 24, 2023 18:26:08   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
dustie wrote:
Ahhhhh.....perfectly reasonable interpretation of Deer 2 !!

If there is that much size disparity between deer 1 and the others while the subject-to-camera distance and camera position parameters are in the same frame at the same time, it shows a very interesting case of either a very nicely proportioned, definitely undersized buck in front of some probably normal deer, or a normal deer in front of some unusually large framed specimens.

Do you see the horizontal line across the upper porttion of the frame? Does it seem like it may indicate two separate frames not stacked exactly with matching borders?
Ahhhhh.....perfectly reasonable interpretation of ... (show quote)


I keep thinking there is something different about the antler rack on the buck, also, which really is probably an entirely different matter.
It seems there is a single spike on his left side and a three point rack on his right. Not entirely unusual to see non-symmetrical racks, or an animal with one side damaged/broken, but the way this one appears in this photo just has a look of something being a little off from even a lack of symmetry.

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Nov 24, 2023 18:37:49   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Grahame wrote:
...... what is the possibility of Deer 1 with the antlers being that physical size compared to the others behind it?


If it is four deer in the same frame taken in one exposure, where are # 2, 3, and 4 standing? It certainly seems the ground level drops down beyond #1, so that 2 and 3, are extemely long-legged or walking on stilts? and four is on something other than the same ground level where #1 is.

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Nov 24, 2023 21:32:09   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
Might have been an internal reflection on one of the lens elements from the red focus assist light of a deer off to one side that bounced back to the camera, at the same time, the flash illuminated one was photographed.

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Nov 24, 2023 22:30:28   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Lucian wrote:
Might have been an internal reflection on one of the lens elements from the red focus assist light of a deer off to one side that bounced back to the camera, at the same time, the flash illuminated one was photographed.


That possibility, mentioned a couple times earlier, is making more sense as I keep coming back to consider this.

If the internal reflection is mirror imaged by the physics taking place within the lens elements, Deer #4 in Grahame's example may be the reflection of the flank and leg of Deer #1.
Deer #'s 2, and 3 may be others out of direct field of view to the right of the camera, and possibly closer to it than Deer #1 is.

I suppose the size proportionality in the reflection does not have to exactly match 1:1 with the actual animals if it is being affected by perspective differences and curvature of lens elements.

I may still be way out beyond left field.
Will also be interesting if OP can obtain daytime images to use for scene comparison purposes.

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Nov 25, 2023 09:51:51   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
dustie wrote:
Trying a little more subtle moving of some adjustment sliders takes me back to Grahame's look on page 4. --. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/tpr?p=14297441&t=792684

Grahame shows what can be Deer 1, Deer 2, Deer 3, Deer 4.
Deer 1 is pretty obvious.

Not certain where the yellow outline of Deer 2 body actually should be. Seems it was not illuminated to the same level as Deer 3 and 4.

Deer 3, outlined in white, appears to have some portions of lower legs/feet visible.


Deer 4 shows a flank and hind leg.

The green line marks what appears to be where the ground drops down in the more faint image of Deer 2, 3, and 4.

If any of this is close to the truth, it is understandably conceivable there is a double image here, but the camera position and subject to camera distance do not seem to be identical in both.
There is also a distinct horizontal line straight across the upper portion quite near the top (if you look closely), which seems to indicate double exposure where the two images are not indexed exactly alike in that upper area.
Trying a little more subtle moving of some adjustm... (show quote)



Thx again for your continued thoughts. I do see the horizontal line across the top that might indicate a double exposure. I will share these diagrams with my friend and the owner to get their opinion and obtain some further info: photo in the light, she was camera last moved, any other deer images on their card and how far back from the buck does the ground drop off and how much. Thx again. I find this fascinating too.

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Nov 26, 2023 15:27:45   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
Mario22 wrote:
So, a neighbor of a friend, captured a photo of a buck in their backyard with a field camera. What’s strange is the red deer projected behind the buck. It really wasn’t there, but where did it come from? Where did the red coloring in the photo come from? Something to do with field cam lighting to focus?

More info:
The field cam was about 12 feet from the buck.
There’s a small storage garage about 13-14 feet to the right of the buck.
Where the red deer is projected is wetlands.
My friend’s shed is about 15 feet to the left of the buck.
They have solar lights on the other side (backside?) of the shed.
Also on the other side of the shed is a huge wooden Moose sculpture.

At first I thought it had something to do with a reflection or mirrored effect and thought the red light must be from the field cam. However, I wonder about the influence of the wetlands, the solar lights and the Moose sculpture. I know the quality if the field cam photo isn’t very good. I can see the red deer but not the big moose head. Any help figuring out how this photo might have occurred would be appreciated.
When she looks to the left of the red deer, there appears to be the head of the moose but way out of proportion.
So, a neighbor of a friend, captured a photo of a ... (show quote)


This picture looks like...1) the result of a "double exposure shot"....2) "trap focus" could have been used to snap both images.
It supposes, the camera can be set to shot "double or multiple exposures"...and can also be set to "trap focus" in the case one would avoid to stay waiting for the moment to press the shutter release.

So, first of all, check if this camera is able to be set to shot "multiple exposures"!
If so, I imagine the following process:
- camera was set to shot "multiple exposure"...say, 2 images++++ set to "trap focus" to make the job easyer!

- the 1st image has been shot at sunset set or short after...with WB =10000°K...giving an hard red "cast"...or perhaps the drive way in the yard to the store garage is lit by a red light which is automaticaly triggered on when something is moving nearby?
- the 2nd one...simply shot with a flash burst...eventually triggered with "trap focus"...1st or 2nd curtain doesnt matter. But for this 2nd image, WB seems to be OK= set to flash...I don't suppose the opérator would have put a gélatine on the speedlight just to counteract a wrong WB setting!
I'm not sure if it is possible to change the WB setting while shoting double exposure! (i.e 100000°K for 1st image and 5200°K for the 2nd one)
OK...all this looks like strange...but plausible.
Simply my suggestion to explain the "phénomène"!
If You get the explained solution, pls. let me know...I find the subject interesting.

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Nov 26, 2023 16:03:43   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Good photos on UHH should get this much attention.

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