To the "self-proclaimed" Artists...we'll have fun with this (Page 3): "Enough" is like when youve amassed 10,000 technically perfect BIFs. Odds are fairly good that 2 or 3 could be...

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dustie wrote:

EJMcD wrote: br VOLUME. If you make enough photos ... (show quote)

"Enough" is like when youve amassed 10,000 technically perfect BIFs. Odds are fairly good that 2 or 3 could be really interesting images. Even the "unproclaimed artist" can encounter that rare and fugitive happy accident.

rwww80a Loc: Hampton, NH

working the scene", a photographer has another secret...VOLUME. If you make enough photos of any subject, some of them will be good!"
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This was my line when I ran a camera store on long island. When someone dropped off a couple of rolls of film and asked for a critique I would tell them, "When you take 1 or 2 shots, I might take roll or two and a pro will take 10 or 20 rolls and has that many more chances of getting lucky."
A little photo knowledge helps a lot.

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working the scene", a photographer has another secret...VOLUME. If you make enough photos of any subject, some of them will be good!"
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This was my line when I ran a camera store on long island. When someone dropped off a couple of rolls of film and asked for a critique I would tell them, "When you take 1 or 2 shots, I might take roll or two and a pro will take 10 or 20 rolls and has that many more chances of getting lucky."
A little photo knowledge helps a lot.

Film tale. Famous PJ shoots cover of weekly news. Subject is famous french chef cracking egg into pan from about 3 ft above pan.

Not a thing changes from shot to shot except the chancey position and condition of the egg whites and yellow yolk in free fall.

About 20 cartons of eggs later (= 6 rolls of film) its a wrap. This is my first hand report, not some embroidered rumoured story.

Today, I would use 1/2 doz eggs at 75fps. About 200 to 250 frames to inspect, film era or today, but waaaay less time, messy eggs, and expense today.

imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida

My downfall is I do not shoot enough - my psyche is still locked in the film era

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imagemeister wrote:

My downfall is I do not shoot enough - my psyche is still locked in the film era

We had cameras that would eat rolls of film in under five seconds. Guess you missed the fun.

Oh, you shot 4x5 ... ? We usually did 8x10 and 4x5 chromes in 3-shot brackets, but two sheets per exposure = six sheets per photo.

IOW went through film like someone else was paying for it (cuz someone else was). Guess you missed the fun :-(

And now youre cheaping out with all the free electrons ??!?!? Snap out of it ! Dont wanna miss the fun again this time around !

Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona

WE? Were you actually good enough to be working for someone like NatGeo? who supplied film? What did Kodachrome cost back then? Somewhere between $2.50 and $3.50 a roll. Somewhere around $5.00 for a 36 exposure mailer. Remember, only Kodak could process Kodachrome. I was making $85.00 per month as a Specialist 4th Class in my Uncle's Army. I DIDN'T MISS THE FUN, I COULDN'T AFFORD THE FUN.

WE? shot 8X10. No body who shot, or shoots, 8X10 or 4X5 missed the fun.

IOW? Like myself, a lot of posters on the Hog knew a large number of photographers from the film days, maybe even some pros who got free film. They were, however, few and far between.

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WE? Were you actually good enough to be working fo... (show quote)

Cannot unravel your wacky view of the bidnez so theres no easy simple way to address your puzzles. Frinstintz ... Kodachrome ?!? WTF is widdat ?!? No easy or simple way and (to me) not worth any real effort. Not my job.

Maybe Ed will explain you the realities. He loves to provide looooooong explanations.

Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona

I understand. You got in over your head and can't find a graceful way out. Have a happy Thanksgiving anyway

terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains

Curmudgeon wrote:

I understand. You got in over your head and can't find a graceful way out. Have a happy Thanksgiving anyway

This place needs a real block feature...

Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona

terryMc wrote:

This place needs a real block feature...

I hit the wrong button. My response was directed to UserID

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terryMc wrote:

This place needs a real block feature...

Maybe but the entertainment value would noticeably decline.

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imagemeister wrote:

My downfall is I do not shoot enough - my psyche is still locked in the film era

Ditto! 99% of the time shoot in "Single" mode, medium res jpeg.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

EJMcD wrote:

In addition to having a good understanding of aperture, shutter speed, ISO, composition and "working the scene", a photographer has another secret...VOLUME. If you make enough photos of any subject, some of them will be good!

I was taught to shoot a scene from all angles, get up high, lay on the ground, shoot up, shoot from the right, shoot from the left.
A pro shoots the living daylights out of a scene, one will be excellent. TRUE.
But, the more knowledge and experience you have, the better the chance of getting an excellent one.

chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY

EJMcD wrote:

In addition to having a good understanding of aperture, shutter speed, ISO, composition and "working the scene", a photographer has another secret...VOLUME. If you make enough photos of any subject, some of them will be good!

That's along the lines of one million monkeys paradox - if you give a million monkeys a typewriter they will eventually write the works of Shakespeare or Hemingway. So, if you give a few monkeys a camera, they might get a few winning shots...perhaps! I consider photography an experimental science as well as an art. With film, we did not have the luxury of wasting a lot of shots on experiments, so we strived to get the shot right the first time, or at least within several bracketed frames. With digital, our film supply is "infinite" by comparison, so we get to play around with various compositions, exposure, ISO settings, f stops, etc., for free. I will deliberately take a string of bad shots (exposure wise usually) to get a feel for the latitude I have. I will also experiment with unusual compositions, and sometimes I get surprises by doing things "against the rules".