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Nov 22, 2023 21:03:08   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I have no problem with people who hunt wild animals to eat. Anyone who eats meat is participating in killing animals.


As is anyone who walks anywhere without carefully brushing the path in front of them before each step! Or takes antibiotic medications. Or anyone who refuses mosquitos the right to feed upon their blood. Those miserable excuses for human beings are wiping out generations of mosquitos!!!

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Nov 22, 2023 21:11:07   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Retired CPO wrote:
As is anyone who walks anywhere without carefully brushing the path in front of them before each step! Or takes antibiotic medications. Or anyone who refuses mosquitos the right to feed upon their blood. Those miserable excuses for human beings are wiping out generations of mosquitos!!!


What UHH really needs is a Comedy Section!

OR

Maybe ADMIN just needs to rename what is mistakenly called the "Main Photography Discussion" section.

Actually there are quite a few sections that could be combined in the "Comedy Section".

HAPPY THANKSGIVING everybody.

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Nov 22, 2023 21:26:52   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Delderby wrote:
Yes - I do understand your objections to my reply, I do understand that without the "food chain" the world would starve - and I don't mean just humans. But there are ways and means, and the purposeful ending of any life should never be regarded as pleasure or sport. We should rather be grateful that one life ends so that another may live.
Yes - same for fish - millions of fish choke to death every day so that humans live. And I am part of it.
Yes - I do understand your objections to my reply,... (show quote)


I think that you would have been better off without the "but" and all the following after "humans". Do you slap mosquitos?? Do you have regrets when you do so? Because I know that you do! Or do you just poison them? Would you feel better about yourself if you eat them after you kill them?
I do smell the distinct odor of "High Horse" emanating from your statement!! I do. I do!

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Nov 22, 2023 21:31:26   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
Back to the image, please. Could it be this is an accidental double exposure? Is there a frame number missing? Could the camera have lagged in recording an image, but snapped another one and recorded both on the same frame?

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Nov 22, 2023 21:34:51   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Bill_de wrote:
What UHH really needs is a Comedy Section!

OR

Maybe ADMIN just needs to rename what is mistakenly called the "Main Photography Discussion" section.

Actually there are quite a few sections that could be combined in the "Comedy Section".

HAPPY THANKSGIVING everybody.

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Happy Thanksgiving to you, Sir!! And to most/some of the other UHH'ers too!
I was going to continue in this vein for quite some time here in this thread, but in honor of the Holiday, I will stop while I'm ahead!
ps I'm all in favor of a comedy section, I think it's sorely needed!!

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Nov 22, 2023 21:46:08   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
Layers…

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Nov 22, 2023 22:02:20   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
AzPicLady wrote:
Back to the image, please. Could it be this is an accidental double exposure? Is there a frame number missing? Could the camera have lagged in recording an image, but snapped another one and recorded both on the same frame?


If a double exposure is in play here, the disproportion question still remains. The neck of the "doe" is quite long for that of a typical doe. It is more like the appearance of a llama or elk, if we are to imagine it as belonging to an actual animal. And the "tail" of the "red doe" appears strangely out of place if the back end of the "animal" is in typical alignment (or, it's actually ears of another animal in Grahame's four deer scenario.)

If it is double exposure, why is only one concentrated area colored red and raising the question of double exposure, while the rest of the frame is not giving the impression of double exposure and red imaging? Unless, of course, it is a composite produced in some after-camera post process.

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Nov 23, 2023 08:50:41   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
dustie wrote:
If a double exposure is in play here, the disproportion question still remains. The neck of the "doe" is quite long for that of a typical doe. It is more like the appearance of a llama or elk, if we are to imagine it as belonging to an actual animal. And the "tail" of the "red doe" appears strangely out of place if the back end of the "animal" is in typical alignment (or, it's actually ears of another animal in Grahame's four deer scenario.)

If it is double exposure, why is only one concentrated area colored red and raising the question of double exposure, while the rest of the frame is not giving the impression of double exposure and red imaging? Unless, of course, it is a composite produced in some after-camera post process.
If a double exposure is in play here, the dispropo... (show quote)


Thx for your continued thoughts on this image. I can assure you that it’s not a composite produced in post processing. The owner of the field cam is not a photography hobbyist. She shared the image with her neighbor, a friend of mine, who knew of my hobby. I’m still awaiting word of any other remaining images on their memory card that could be the culprit.

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Nov 23, 2023 08:53:03   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
dustie wrote:
Aside from, or in addition to the solar lights, are there any lighted decorations, or other lights that project their beams out that direction?
....any lights from the house through window coverings?
....any security lights, (probably a different Kelvin scale temp than the camera light), maybe even mounted at roof height or higher, that spill light out that direction through foliage or something that can make "patterns on the wall", so to speak?


I will check with my friend and see. I know that the field cam is located at the back of their property and away from their home. So far, the only extra lighting, that I know of, are the solar lights behind the storage shed.

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Nov 23, 2023 08:57:35   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
User ID wrote:
Not buying that. Its a trail camera. Theres no actual eye witnesses. An automated camera doesnt just make stuff up. And peeps who post their puzzlement on UHH often have no great claims to reliable info.

I cant be 100% sure of anything about it, but I know where the lesser and greater degrees of credibilty are found.

All Im saying is that between a robot and a Hawgster, history favors the robot. Personally, Im not even convinced that the background shape should be seen as an animal, sorta like seeing shapes in the clouds or in wood grain, etc. just imaginitive interpretation.
Not buying that. Its a trail camera. Theres no act... (show quote)


My friend says that she can see a large face of deer somewhere in the image. I’ve tried to see that but can’t. What I find unique is that his doe appears to be made up of leaves or brush, as in a ghost image. I agree, they can’t be 100% sure. Thx

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Nov 23, 2023 09:25:47   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
SalvageDiver wrote:
This appears to be a special case of internal reflection inside the lens called “ghosting”. This can cause bright objects from outside the field of view to be captured by the lens and reflected internally, finally reaching the sensor. Internal reflections occur inside all lens, but most of the time are too low to be perceived. The following link gives further discussion, by Michael C[lark] regarding this effect.

https://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/69043/what-could-cause-this-visible-artifact-which-seems-to-a-be-a-glowing-inverse-of/69048#69048

In the case of the field camera, the second deer was likely just outside the field of view of the lens when the camera flashed. The flash hitting the second deer made it bright enough to be sensed by the sensor.

Very interesting and technical idea. I like the notion of the reflection. But I wonder about the red color and the multiple deer, deer head images, that others have found with some more processing?
Here is a personal example of this effect. The circled objects were not in the field of view of the lens, but found their way into the image via internal reflections.
This appears to be a special case of internal refl... (show quote)

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Nov 23, 2023 09:43:40   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
Kind of looks like a Llama to me, but I think its illuminating a deer with the focus assist light. A test is to look at other pictures taken without the foreground deer to see if a deer-like image appears in them too. If so, the mystery deer is a trick of the light.

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Nov 23, 2023 10:37:14   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Mario22 wrote:
My friend says that she can see a large face of deer somewhere in the image. I’ve tried to see that but can’t. What I find unique is that his doe appears to be made up of leaves or brush, as in a ghost image. I agree, they can’t be 100% sure. Thx


Do they have pics taken in daylight with that same camera setup, same position, height, angle, etc., so it would be possible to look at what objects may be visible in mid- and background?

Probably the answer to this one is "no"...is there any cropping that's been done to the image you show?

It's an interesting case to consider and reconsider.

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Nov 24, 2023 03:02:25   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
Longshadow wrote:
Similar to how chickens, cows, pigs, lambs, turkeys... are also "murdered".......
Funny how it's okay to "murder" some animals but not others. Or is that different somehow...
Do fish get murdered also?



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Nov 24, 2023 05:45:04   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
User ID wrote:
Maybe its really there.


My thought as well.

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