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Sony Announces a9 III, World’s First Global Sensor Full-Frame Camera. How would you use its industry-exclusive features if you owned one??
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Nov 10, 2023 22:19:06   #
srt101fan
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Relax, hey I know things get posted twice sometimes, not your fault, but I couldn't resist commenting, and I would never call it ludicrous, LOL

Share your thoughts always, but if you make bold assertions, it helps your point of view if you can back it up with some facts, examples, experiences, or references . I read your words correctly.

Quote from you; "24mp Sony A9iii with $6k price tag is a useless camera for most users. It maybe a great camera for sports shooters. Otherwise ISO starting at 250 with reduced dynamic range and low resolution of 24mp are not that attractive for other kinds of photography such as landscape and wildlife (for instance for bird photography, cropping is almost inevitable, for which 24mp is not that great). As for flash photography at shutter speed 1/80000 or at high speed maybe a gimmick in my opinion as then one would need an extremely powerful flash emitting narrow light pulse to illuminate the subject to capture a well exposed shot for that short duration of exposer. I think this camera will not sell in huge numbers at that insane price as it caters to only a limited types of photography."

And BTW here is a 24mp Sony A9 photo that was chosen as Worldwide Photo of the Week by Sony Alpha Photographers in 2021. Environmental Scientist Brooke Hildebrand in a slot canyon near Upper Antelope Canyon, Navajo Lands, Page, Arizona, USA. 24mp Sony A9 camera, Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS lens, 24mm, ISO 400, f4, 1/30 second , handheld, all natural sunlight in the canyon. 24mp is a sweet spot for many photographers.

Click on download to see better image quality.

Cheers and best to you, really.
Relax, hey I know things get posted twice sometime... (show quote)


Don't you think you're overdoing it with posting this photo and patting yourself on the back? I guess not....🙄

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Nov 10, 2023 22:21:31   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
pgs wrote:
I don’t know where you found I am admitting I was making things up. Looks like you are making up things instead. I am sticking with what I said in my first comments. Please go back and check.


If you were paying attention you’d see I wasn’t responding to you. Maybe you’re not making things up but you seem a little unhinged.

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Nov 10, 2023 22:22:46   #
pgs
 
srt101fan wrote:
Don't you think you're overdoing it with posting this photo and patting yourself on the back? I guess not....🙄


I don’t think so. That’s what you think, and I cannot help for that!

Cheers

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Nov 10, 2023 22:28:57   #
pgs
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
If you were paying attention you’d see I wasn’t responding to you. Maybe you’re not making things up but you seem a little unhinged.


OK, I see…it was not meant for me! Your messages are coming on my ipad screen one after the other, I didn’t check who you are replying. Well, please ignore my answers to messages not meant for me. Thanks!

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Nov 10, 2023 23:15:05   #
gwilliams6
 
Just in from Top Pro Sports and Photojournalist photographer Patrick Murphy-Racey, a freelance photographer that travels the USA and the world on assignments, and has been chosen as a Sony Artisan for the quality of his work in a long career.

Patrick does a deep dive into the A9III for stills. He mentions the current pros and cons of these Beta-copy A9III.

And importantly, he points out that the current Beta-test copy A9III are only loaded with firmware version, O.8. Production copies of all Sony cameras start with firmware version 1.0 or higher. Patrick mentions some of the improvements coming in the updated firmware for the actual production models before they are scheduled to go on sale in the USA on Feb. 23, 2024 (source of shipping date is B&H Photo/Video).

Patrick points out some properties and abilities of the A9III that got lost in the headlines of the global sensor. Like the ability to shoot at a base 125 ISO, not just the base of 250 ISO as reported, and other cool features.

If you have the time, this is well worth watching. Patrick will have further deep dive videos on his Youtube channel on the A9III video features, and other updates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uSf03ck6NY

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 11, 2023 01:00:05   #
gwilliams6
 
srt101fan wrote:
Don't you think you're overdoing it with posting this photo and patting yourself on the back? I guess not....🙄


Duh, I am just showing an example that the 24mp sensor of my A9 yields plenty enough image resolution and detail to answer those who are saying the 24mp global sensor of the A9III is not enough image resolution. Which is just not true.

What is your problem with that?

I dont ever need any photo to be posted in UHH for any validation of my 50 years as a successful professional photographer , LOL

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 11, 2023 01:39:15   #
Hip Coyote
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
Dan Carr on the A9 III:

Note there is a typo in the second paragraph, at least in this early version of the review. It's the "global shutter" that captures data from all pixels simultaneously.

But "pre-capture" seems surreal! It "enables you to create images of things that happen before you’ve even pressed the shutter button."

https://shuttermuse.com/sony-announces-a9-iii-camera-global-shutter/


I don't have a dog in the fight on Sony. In fact, I have a little one. I shoot Olympus because I travel, lighter, lenses lighter, cheaper, I am an amateur, etc. I've used the "pre-capture" or otherwise known as "Pro Capture" that Oly (I think) invented. When that is used, it creates a lot of photos...a few hundred in a few seconds, actually. It quickly overwhelmed my storage...and I was using two 256 gig cards, I think. I am assuming Sony uses different storage cards with greater capacity. But for me, going through thousands of shots for one day photographing birds? Nope on out of here. I suppose the pros and dedicated amateurs will be willing to go through maybe 10,000 photos from one day...not me. I'm looking at 120 frame rate for pre-capture as a cool upper limit, but wow...that would be more work than fun for me. I don't need 120 shots per second to make mediocre photos...I can do it at a slower frame rate.

Good on Sony for their accomplishments. These features always bleed down to cheaper cameras....who knows, when they do, I just might go to the dark side. But for now, anyone who pays $6000 for a piece of equipment for a hobby is nuts, that or he is a fisherman (me).

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Nov 11, 2023 06:56:44   #
jcboy3
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
There are a few cameras that do pre-capture, but none can do it in raw at up to 120fps in fullframe like the new A9III.

I like this quote from your linked article from shuttermuse.com ;

"Make no mistake, this camera represents a seismic shift in camera technology. Stacked sensor technology with a fast-readout rolling shutter is now old news. Somehow, Sony managed to keep this camera under wraps until the very last moment. I think it’s fair to say that nobody expected a camera with this kind of speed, and certainly not with a global shutter."

And with a World's First 1/80,000 second shutter speed, even usable with flash at 1/80,000 sec. flash sync.

Again Sony asserts its #1 leadership in fullframe mirrorless technology and in camera technology, on the ten-year anniversary of it creating the World's First fullframe mirrorless camera ever, the A7. A camera that changed the photo world forever, and now another camera from Sony that changes the photo world.

Way to go Sony !!

Cheers and best to you.
There are a few cameras that do pre-capture, but n... (show quote)


Olympus/OMSystems cameras have had a pre-capture mode (they call it Pro Capture) for years, that works with RAW format. The OM1 can capture 120fps RAW. Panasonic also has been capable of 120fps RAW, and also captures 120fps RAW. The Sony is only 24mp, so it isn't that special as far as RAW fps and pre-capture modes.

Nikon Z9/Z8 has fast enough readout that it doesn't have a mechanical shutter, but it still has a normal flash sync speed. It has pre-capture modes, but they are only JPG.

In my opinion, the main advantage of the Sony global shutter is to provide substantially faster flash sync speeds and eliminate issues with banding. A secondary advantage is to eliminate rolling shutter, but recent sensors have achieved high enough readout speeds to minimize rolling shutter effects with electronic shutter. It is the flash sync and banding free capabilities that are really significant. One no longer needs to contemplate medium format with leaf shutter lenses to get higher flash sync speeds.

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Nov 11, 2023 11:40:40   #
gwilliams6
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Olympus/OMSystems cameras have had a pre-capture mode (they call it Pro Capture) for years, that works with RAW format. The OM1 can capture 120fps RAW. Panasonic also has been capable of 120fps RAW, and also captures 120fps RAW. The Sony is only 24mp, so it isn't that special as far as RAW fps and pre-capture modes.

Nikon Z9/Z8 has fast enough readout that it doesn't have a mechanical shutter, but it still has a normal flash sync speed. It has pre-capture modes, but they are only JPG.

In my opinion, the main advantage of the Sony global shutter is to provide substantially faster flash sync speeds and eliminate issues with banding. A secondary advantage is to eliminate rolling shutter, but recent sensors have achieved high enough readout speeds to minimize rolling shutter effects with electronic shutter. It is the flash sync and banding free capabilities that are really significant. One no longer needs to contemplate medium format with leaf shutter lenses to get higher flash sync speeds.
Olympus/OMSystems cameras have had a pre-capture m... (show quote)


Even the best new fast stacked sensor cameras are NOT fast enough reading to eliminate all rolling shutter in stills and especially in video. And that includes the Nikon Z9/Z8 and Canon R3. I know firsthand, as I have a fast stacked sensor Sony A1. Just physics folks.

It takes a true global shutter to eliminate rolling shutter completely in stills and video with fastest moving subjects in stills ,or while fast panning in video , nothing less will do the task.
Just a fact.

So the true global shutter IS the most significant feature, leading to all the other benefits, all experts agree, a game-changer . The first fullframe camera that can capture raw files at 120fps, with no EVF blackout, flash sync at any speed up to and including 1/80,000 sec. , and a first fullframe Precapture at up to 120fps raw, at variable adjustable intervals between .01 to a full second, among its many features .

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 11, 2023 11:54:39   #
gwilliams6
 
More info:
Patrick Murphy-Racey, top pro sports shooter, photojournalist and a Sony Artisan.

from my buddy and Sony Pro Rep David Snyder who has a bigger brain than mine:

"The dust protective curtain closes when the camera turns off, not when a lens is removed.

The burst playback as a group is on all the cameras inc. A1, not an Xperia feature. It’s not on by default in other cameras. What’s new is that it will play that burst/group as a quick video/sequential view.

You can auto focus fine at 1/80000 today. You can not shoot continuously at 1/80,000 on present Beta-copy A9III. only single frame.
1/16000 for continuous shooting. The note was coming firmware update will raise the maximum continuous shutter speed to 1/80,000 for burst at 120fps. .

Pocketwizard may not work at the high speeds for triggering and timing maybe off.

Pre capture can be set for much less than a half second minimum. The timing goes below .1 sec to .09-.01 as well. Pre capture can be set to begin with shutter half press, or af on, or both. So users can control when pre capture starts while still using AF separately (WOW!!!)

ISO range will not change in firmware, but in menu can be set as low as 125 ISO.

Exposure compensation dial is also on the grip, and there is a lug for a camera strap on the grip to carry the camera vertically and more accessible."

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 11, 2023 12:01:00   #
Bubba211 Loc: Southport, N. Carolina
 
I can have a camera with me at all times using a smart phone and it fits in my pocket
Use the camera that one has with one!!!

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Nov 11, 2023 12:07:12   #
gwilliams6
 
For anyone thinking the 24.6 mp of the A9III is too little to crop in, watch this video by Ken Rockwell where he crops in on jpeg shots he made with the A9III in NYC, and still showing loads of fine detail remaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XRXrk1M2_Y

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 11, 2023 12:17:14   #
pgs
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
More info:
Patrick Murphy-Racey, top pro sports shooter, photojournalist and a Sony Artisan.

from my buddy and Sony Pro Rep David Snyder who has a bigger brain than mine:

"The dust protective curtain closes when the camera turns off, not when a lens is removed.

The burst playback as a group is on all the cameras inc. A1, not an Xperia feature. It’s not on by default in other cameras. What’s new is that it will play that burst/group as a quick video/sequential view.

You can auto focus fine at 1/80000 today. You can not shoot continuously at 1/80,000 on present Beta-copy A9III. only single frame.
1/16000 for continuous shooting. The note was coming firmware update will raise the maximum continuous shutter speed to 1/80,000 for burst at 120fps. .

Pocketwizard may not work at the high speeds for triggering and timing maybe off.

Pre capture can be set for much less than a half second minimum. The timing goes below .1 sec to .09-.01 as well. Pre capture can be set to begin with shutter half press, or af on, or both. So users can control when pre capture starts while still using AF separately (WOW!!!)

ISO range will not change in firmware, but in menu can be set as low as 125 ISO.

Exposure compensation dial is also on the grip, and there is a lug for a camera strap on the grip to carry the camera vertically and more accessible."

Cheers and best to you.
More info: br Patrick Murphy-Racey, top pro sports... (show quote)


Ok, I guess everyone in this forum understands and agrees that Sony is the pioneer in introducing new technology in camera industry, and that A9iii with GS with all that goodies are great. For bird photography though, which I am interested in, please let me know if A9iii is an improvement to 50mp A1 or 45mp Z9 given that this kind of photography requires shooting at high ISOs and fast shutter speeds and also requires good amount of cropping - which one will you recommend, A9iii or A1? If possible please give your honest answer from the practical standpoint with facts and real examples.

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Nov 11, 2023 12:24:23   #
pgs
 
pgs wrote:
Ok, I guess everyone in this forum understands and agrees that Sony is the pioneer in introducing new technology in camera industry, and that A9iii with GS with all that goodies are great. For bird photography though, which I am interested in, please let me know if A9iii is an improvement to 50mp A1 or 45mp Z9 given that this kind of photography requires shooting at high ISOs and fast shutter speeds and also requires good amount of cropping - which one will you recommend, A9iii or A1? If possible please give your honest answer from a practical standpoint with facts.
Ok, I guess everyone in this forum understands and... (show quote)

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Nov 11, 2023 12:35:16   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
I am feeling really grumpy and irritable this morning and I want to rant and provoke arguments about nothing of any importance for no particular reason.

Am I on the right thread?

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