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Oct 21, 2023 15:44:28   #
Hip Coyote
 
Theyโ€™d embrace cutting edge technologies and have distain for, or likely ignore, gear hounds.

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Oct 22, 2023 14:55:34   #
gwilliams6
 
pecohen wrote:
I'm sure there would be a few who think all of the new capabilities amount to cheating, just as there are today photographers who reject the use of editing software and think you just have to get it right in the camera.


I am 72 years old and have been a working pro for 50 years, and yes all the new capabilities are kind of like cheating, but I gladly embrace them and use them for any competitive advantage in my shooting nowadays.

I try to get it right in the camera, but I do use LR, PS, Capture One, Topaz Denoise AI, whatever i need to tweak and fine tune my final image output.

However as a longtime photojournalist who follows the ethical rules of the NPPA (The National Press Photographers Association) of which I am a former NPPA National Executive Board member, and still a member , I wont change the reality of my news, sports and editorial images. If I use image manipulation, multiple layers, etc, I always call those final images illustrations and not the truth.

As a longtime Professor of Photography at a state university, I have had hundreds of students in my Photojournalism, Digital Photography, and 35mm B&W film classes.

In my Photojournalism classes the students are bound by the ethics for photojournalism, no manipulation of the truth.

However in my Digital Photography classes, taught to Art majors, anything goes, and any and all digital manipulations are accepted and explored in art.

In my 35mm B&W film classes, we allow all classic darkroom techniques .

For me personally, yes I have Luminar, and LR, but I wont personally do sky replacement (even with using my own sky images ) unless it is an Illustration, and duly noted as such. I find it far more challenging and ultimately more satisfying to find and capture those images with a great sky, in a single image.

When the ESPN X-Games were in Philadelphia, I was tasked to come up with a cover shot for the brochure. So I took two images of mine and combined then in layers in PS. The first image is of an X-Games BMX biker, shot against the sky, from a low angle. The second image was an image of the city skyline of Philadelphia showing a sailboat along the Delaware River , shot from the Delaware riverfront in Camden, New Jersey.

I just made sure to let readers know this was an illustration, and not reality.

Cheers and best to you.


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Oct 22, 2023 16:42:14   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
I am 72 years old and have been a working pro for 50 years, and yes all the new capabilities are kind of like cheating, but I gladly embrace them and use them for any competitive advantage in my shooting nowadays.

I try to get it right in the camera, but I do use LR, PS, Capture One, Topaz Denoise AI, whatever i need to tweak and fine tune my final image output.

However as a longtime photojournalist who follows the ethical rules of the NPPA (The National Press Photographers Association) of which I am a former NPPA National Executive Board member, and still a member , I wont change the reality of my news, sports and editorial images. If I use image manipulation, multiple layers, etc, I always call those final images illustrations and not the truth.

As a longtime Professor of Photography at a state university, I have had hundreds of students in my Photojournalism, Digital Photography, and 35mm B&W film classes.

In my Photojournalism classes the students are bound by the ethics for photojournalism, no manipulation of the truth.

However in my Digital Photography classes, taught to Art majors, anything goes, and any and all digital manipulations are accepted and explored in art.

In my 35mm B&W film classes, we allow all classic darkroom techniques .

For me personally, yes I have Luminar, and LR, but I wont personally do sky replacement (even with using my own sky images ) unless it is an Illustration, and duly noted as such. I find it far more challenging and ultimately more satisfying to find and capture those images with a great sky, in a single image.

When the ESPN X-Games were in Philadelphia, I was tasked to come up with a cover shot for the brochure. So I took two images of mine and combined then in layers in PS. The first image is of an X-Games BMX biker, shot against the sky, from a low angle. The second image was an image of the city skyline of Philadelphia showing a sailboat along the Delaware River , shot from the Delaware riverfront in Camden, New Jersey.

I just made sure to let readers know this was an illustration, and not reality.

Cheers and best to you.
I am 72 years old and have been a working pro for ... (show quote)


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Oct 22, 2023 20:06:37   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
I am 72 years old and have been a working pro for 50 years, and yes all the new capabilities are kind of like cheating, but I gladly embrace them and use them for any competitive advantage in my shooting nowadays.

I try to get it right in the camera, but I do use LR, PS, Capture One, Topaz Denoise AI, whatever i need to tweak and fine tune my final image output.

However as a longtime photojournalist who follows the ethical rules of the NPPA (The National Press Photographers Association) of which I am a former NPPA National Executive Board member, and still a member , I wont change the reality of my news, sports and editorial images. If I use image manipulation, multiple layers, etc, I always call those final images illustrations and not the truth.

As a longtime Professor of Photography at a state university, I have had hundreds of students in my Photojournalism, Digital Photography, and 35mm B&W film classes.

In my Photojournalism classes the students are bound by the ethics for photojournalism, no manipulation of the truth.

However in my Digital Photography classes, taught to Art majors, anything goes, and any and all digital manipulations are accepted and explored in art.

In my 35mm B&W film classes, we allow all classic darkroom techniques .

For me personally, yes I have Luminar, and LR, but I wont personally do sky replacement (even with using my own sky images ) unless it is an Illustration, and duly noted as such. I find it far more challenging and ultimately more satisfying to find and capture those images with a great sky, in a single image.

When the ESPN X-Games were in Philadelphia, I was tasked to come up with a cover shot for the brochure. So I took two images of mine and combined then in layers in PS. The first image is of an X-Games BMX biker, shot against the sky, from a low angle. The second image was an image of the city skyline of Philadelphia showing a sailboat along the Delaware River , shot from the Delaware riverfront in Camden, New Jersey.

I just made sure to let readers know this was an illustration, and not reality.

Cheers and best to you.
I am 72 years old and have been a working pro for ... (show quote)


It is possible to make dishonest or misleading photos straight out of the camera, by what is included or excluded in the image, how it is composed, the timing of the exposure, wide angle or telephoto effects, etc. Do the photojournalism ethics cover this kind of manipulating reality? SOOC does not always mean reality.

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Oct 22, 2023 20:48:27   #
frangeo Loc: Texas
 

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Oct 23, 2023 01:24:16   #
gwilliams6
 
joecichjr wrote:
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Thanks so much Joe,

Cheers and best to you.

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Oct 23, 2023 01:43:30   #
gwilliams6
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
It is possible to make dishonest or misleading photos straight out of the camera, by what is included or excluded in the image, how it is composed, the timing of the exposure, wide angle or telephoto effects, etc. Do the photojournalism ethics cover this kind of manipulating reality? SOOC does not always mean reality.


Here is NPPA's Code of Ethics:

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The National Press Photographers Association, a professional society that promotes the highest standards in visual journalism, acknowledges concern for every person's need both to be fully informed about public events and to be recognized as part of the world in which we live.


Visual journalists operate as trustees of the public. Our primary role is to report visually on the significant events and varied viewpoints in our common world. Our primary goal is the faithful and comprehensive depiction of the subject at hand. As visual journalists, we have the responsibility to document society and to preserve its history through images.


Photographic and video images can reveal great truths, expose wrongdoing and neglect, inspire hope and understanding and connect people around the globe through the language of visual understanding. Photographs can also cause great harm if they are callously intrusive or are manipulated.


This code is intended to promote the highest quality in all forms of visual journalism and to strengthen public confidence in the profession. It is also meant to serve as an educational tool both for those who practice and for those who appreciate photojournalism. To that end, The National Press Photographers Association sets forth the following.


CODE OF ETHICS


Visual journalists and those who manage visual news productions are accountable for upholding the following standards in their daily work:


1) Be accurate and comprehensive in the representation of subjects.

2) Resist being manipulated by staged photo opportunities.

3) Be complete and provide context when photographing or recording subjects. Avoid stereotyping individuals and groups. Recognize and work to avoid presenting one's own biases in the work.

4) Treat all subjects with respect and dignity. Give special consideration to vulnerable subjects and compassion to victims of crime or tragedy. Intrude on private moments of grief only when the public has an overriding and justifiable need to see.

5)While photographing subjects do not intentionally contribute to, alter, or seek to alter or influence events.

6) Editing should maintain the integrity of the photographic images' content and context. Do not manipulate images or add or alter sound in any way that can mislead viewers or misrepresent subjects.

7) Do not pay sources or subjects or reward them materially for information or participation.

8) Do not accept gifts, favors, or compensation from those who might seek to influence coverage.

9) Do not intentionally sabotage the efforts of other journalists.

10) Do not engage in harassing behavior of colleagues, subordinates or subjects and maintain the highest standards of behavior in all professional interactions.

Ideally, visual journalists should:

1) Strive to ensure that the public's business is conducted in public. Defend the rights of access for all journalists.

2) Think proactively, as a student of psychology, sociology, politics and art to develop a unique vision and presentation. Work with a voracious appetite for current events and contemporary visual media.

3) Strive for total and unrestricted access to subjects, recommend alternatives to shallow or rushed opportunities, seek a diversity of viewpoints, and work to show unpopular or unnoticed points of view.

4) Avoid political, civic and business involvements or other employment that compromise or give the appearance of compromising one's own journalistic independence.

5) Strive to be unobtrusive and humble in dealing with subjects.

6) Respect the integrity of the photographic moment.

7) Strive by example and influence to maintain the spirit and high standards expressed in this code. When confronted with situations in which the proper action is not clear, seek the counsel of those who exhibit the highest standards of the profession. Visual journalists should continuously study their craft and the ethics that guide it.

And of course any photographer can manipulate the truth by their subjective composition, lighting, lens choices, expression choices, and more. But responsible photojournalists strive to maintain the integrity and objectivity of their work as we document reality and record history.

No one ever said that any particular SOOC image is always an objective representation of the truth of all situations.

Some could say my shot here of the famous Watergate Break-in's Criminal Mastermind, G. Gordon Liddy, was lighted and shot by me from a low angle to make him look more sinister . But Liddy loved the shot and said it made him look strong and a commanding presence, LOL. So a lot of it is in the eye-of-the-beholder .

Cheers and best to you.


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Oct 24, 2023 18:13:39   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
RodeoMan wrote:
What would a carpenter from bygone days think about having power tools? or even more a sawmiller cutting siding and sheathing? We can give example following example of where technology has made life easier for folks in all walks of life.


My other hobby is cabinetmaking. I am fluent in both power tools and hand tools. They both are optimal at certain things and just ok at others. But very little returns the feeling of using a well-tuned quality hand plane, a wood chisel with a mirror polish on the cutting side, or the precision of marking and cutting dovetails by hand. In similar fashion, there's a lot to be said for Whiteside router bits, Timberwolf bandsaw blades, Forrest circular saw blades, and nearly every tool offered in the Festool catalog. The keys to success are to buy quality tools, and know how to pick the right tool for the job.

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Oct 24, 2023 19:51:28   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
Gene51 wrote:
My other hobby is cabinetmaking. I am fluent in both power tools and hand tools. They both are optimal at certain things and just ok at others. But very little returns the feeling of using a well-tuned quality hand plane, a wood chisel with a mirror polish on the cutting side, or the precision of marking and cutting dovetails by hand. In similar fashion, there's a lot to be said for Whiteside router bits, Timberwolf bandsaw blades, Forrest circular saw blades, and nearly every tool offered in the Festool catalog. The keys to success are to buy quality tools, and know how to pick the right tool for the job.
My other hobby is cabinetmaking. I am fluent in bo... (show quote)


I am not a woodworker but appreciate those who are. I cannot imagine how someone could prefer a pressed wood piece when a hardwood one is available and these days, sadly, at the antique shop sometimes for comparable or even less money. D.H. Lawrence wrote: "Things men have made with wakened hands and put soft life into are awake through the years with transferred touch and go on glowing for long years" It would be hard to say that about a piece of Mayfair. Perhaps something similar exists with certain images that continue to "speak" to us through the years. Thank you for your reply.

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