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Apr 16, 2023 13:52:52   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
But no advantage over shooting full sensor and cropping in post. Only time would be if you’re taking JPEG’s for immediate use.


You are correct. If you map out what finds its way to the paper or screen, the result is exactly the same. I don't know why it een continues to come up. I especially don't understand why it generates so many arguments for the sake of argument. Personally, I do not like to be enslaved. I do not like doing work that doesn't have to be done, andespecially do not like to be enslaved to a process that can be completely avoided much of the time with a little up front care and consideration.

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Apr 16, 2023 18:32:51   #
Josephakraig
 
I have used the the Nikon 2X and Tamron 150-600 together. The 150-600 (G2 version) is among my favorite lenses but not real great beyond 500mm, usable but slightly soft except right in the middle. The TC2 is is not a smart extender. It works but everything becomes manual. It is usable in good light but don't expect to ever capture anything on the wing. The magnification at 1200mm will make you keep trying though. One problem at those magnifications however is atmospherics. You get noise from the air especially when it is humid. Bird shots at the lake and ocean are usually in that conditions for me. While I keep my lenses clean, even the TC2, I still have some disappointment in contrast with the TC2 Tamron 150-600 combination. My experience is that if you take a lot of shots you may get a couple good ones.

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Apr 16, 2023 22:30:14   #
Fencehog
 
I have a D500 and a G2 Tamron 150-600. The lens and a 2x TC (forgot the brand) worked well for me for photographing squirrels in my back yard at several f stops and relatively high ISO. If the f stops prevented auto focus I focused manually. Maybe I am not as demanding as others when it comes noise and/or sharpness. In general I think that too much is made of these characteristics. My view is that (within some limits) most of what a photograph needs be is interesting and pleasing. As to auto focus, I remember the days when it did not exist. People still did took good photographs then. For me the main problem is/was weight. A sturdy tripod took care of that. Also, some softness and noise can be removed, or at least improved in post processing. My intent is not to criticize, denigrate or antagonize. I am only expressing my views.

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Apr 17, 2023 08:48:22   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
SunBeach1962 wrote:
I have the Nikon D500 and the Nikon D780 cameras. I bought the Tamron 70-200mm lens, I love it.
I next bought the 2X Tele Converter, it works great with the 2.8 70-200 mm, treats it like a 5.6 lens. I shoot a lot of BIF and want not need, a longer lens, I have the Nikon 500mm 5.6 pf. I am considering the Tamron 150-600mm, My local camera store tells me the lens with the tele attached will be very soft at the edges 300mm and 1200mm.
What are your thoughts? Is F/ 12.6 too slow to focus on my camera's? Does anyone have this combo? What are your thoughts?
I have the Nikon D500 and the Nikon D780 cameras. ... (show quote)


Not a big fan of the 2x converters, but try the 1.4x one. On a crop camera that should give you more than enough reach, BUT you will be limited in focus points. The 150-600 without the TC should be way more than enough for BIF.

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Apr 17, 2023 10:50:10   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
billnikon wrote:
I shoot birds in flight for income. So my images have to be sharp. If you put a 150-600 on your D500, you will get a field of view of 300-900 mm. Your saying that is not enough reach?
I shoot with a FF camera and shoot with a 600 f4 and a 200-600 5.6/6.3. I do not use tele converters because they down grade MY images. A 1.4 would be the minimum I would except. A 2.0 is just not worth using in my opinion. Yes, your camera store was wise to caution you on using a 2.0. Focusing speed and sharpness suffer.
My suggestion is to learn more about the birds you want to shoot and practice hand holding and panning techniques.
The image below was taken of a Black-necked Stilt. They are very fast and you have to really practice to get them in flight because they have falcon like wings and can change direction quickly. If I was shooting with a 1200 mm lens it would be almost impossible to track that bird. And with a 1200 mm lens you would have to be shooting extremely fast to get the motion to stop.
If you want wing tips to be sharp, 1/4000 sec. is a must.
My advice, learn to use the Tamron WITHOUT any converter.
My other advice, you already have a much sharper lens in the 500 5.6 Nikon. My further advice, get a NIKON 1.4 for that lens. But, with the 500 you have a field of view of 750mm 5.6 lens. You should not need more than that to get great images. You really need to practice your getting close techniques.
And you can shoot the 500 5.6 wide open and still get great sharpness, at 5.6 your backgrounds would be more out of focus and your main image would stand out more.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
I shoot birds in flight for income. So my images h... (show quote)


Knowing your subject & getting close is key. Maybe sometimes wearing camo, Gilly suit, blind, etc.

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Apr 17, 2023 16:56:47   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
Juy wrote:
I have the D500 and the Tamron 150-600 and I have the Tamron 1.4TC. The 150-600 is very good for the money and works well with the TC if the light is good. It does have a little softness but acceptable for when I use it. It does drop your apperture to f9 on the long end which cause the focus to struggle. I think you would be better off using the Nikon 500 5.6 pf. I believe you said you have. I don't know how it works with a TC , but believe you would be better off going that route.


If you are using a lens of that long focal length, when in the world are you ever going to be looking for edge to edge sharpness from an image you shoot? Never, is the answer because you are capturing something from a great distance and featuring it sharp in the middle of the frame and the background is going to be out of focus. Therefore, why care about edge softness?

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Apr 17, 2023 18:00:23   #
Fencehog
 
Great point.

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Apr 17, 2023 18:01:54   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Lucian wrote:
If you are using a lens of that long focal length, when in the world are you ever going to be looking for edge to edge sharpness from an image you shoot? Never, is the answer because you are capturing something from a great distance and featuring it sharp in the middle of the frame and the background is going to be out of focus. Therefore, why care about edge softness?


Tracking birds in flight you’ll find they don’t always stay in the center of the frame. 😜🤪

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Apr 17, 2023 18:56:31   #
Juy Loc: Delaware
 
Lucian wrote:
If you are using a lens of that long focal length, when in the world are you ever going to be looking for edge to edge sharpness from an image you shoot? Never, is the answer because you are capturing something from a great distance and featuring it sharp in the middle of the frame and the background is going to be out of focus. Therefore, why care about edge softness?


Did I mention anything about edge sharpness?

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May 18, 2023 00:42:07   #
Fencehog
 
I used the Tamron 150-600 mm with a Tamron 2X tele converter often to photograph squirrels in my back yard and found the results acceptable. However keep in mind my several statements that in my opinion the quest for sharpness is frequently overdone. I am neither questioning nor criticizing those who prefer it sharper than me. Just stating my view. For me a good photograph must be pleasing, tell a story, show something interesting or teach. I consider sharpness of secondary importance unless a photograph is very soft.
My view is different regarding macro and micro photographs, specially those used for/in scientific publications or ones illustrating details, small structures or organisms. These must be very sharp. My Nikon lenses do that and so do other brand macro lenses.

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May 18, 2023 10:40:31   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
My Tamron 90 macro was used in my dental practice with excellent results, 1:1.

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May 18, 2023 10:46:27   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
Fencehog wrote:
I used the Tamron 150-600 mm with a Tamron 2X tele converter often to photograph squirrels in my back yard and found the results acceptable. However keep in mind my several statements that in my opinion the quest for sharpness is frequently overdone. I am neither questioning nor criticizing those who prefer it sharper than me. Just stating my view. For me a good photograph must be pleasing, tell a story, show something interesting or teach. I consider sharpness of secondary importance unless a photograph is very soft.
My view is different regarding macro and micro photographs, specially those used for/in scientific publications or ones illustrating details, small structures or organisms. These must be very sharp. My Nikon lenses do that and so do other brand macro lenses.
I used the Tamron 150-600 mm with a Tamron 2X tele... (show quote)

Sharpness also is relative to what are you doing with it.
I have a lab do my prints 16x20 and they look fine

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Oct 22, 2023 17:43:35   #
Josephakraig
 
I have the the Tamron 150-600. That lens is great but with the 2X adapter it it soft and dark, I don't even keep the adapter in my case any more.

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Oct 22, 2023 19:30:48   #
Fencehog
 
Josephakraig wrote:
I have the the Tamron 150-600. That lens is great but with the 2X adapter it it soft and dark, I don't even keep the adapter in my case any more.


The close up insert was taken with the Tamron 150-600 mm with either a 1.4X or 2X tele converter (lost my notes about which one it is), 1/1250 sec, ISO2800 lens at 850 mm (1275 mm 35 mm equivalent). Post production with Photoshop: auto tone, contrast, color and sharpened once. Regardless of how sharp or soft it shows how the squirrel hold the almond while nibbling on it. This makes the photograph worthwhile in my view. But, then I am the person who has written several times that in my view too much is often made of of sharpness. The image on the right is the same lens at 270 mm no adapter. Same post production.



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Oct 22, 2023 19:37:17   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Fencehog wrote:
The close up insert was taken with the Tamron 150-600 mm with either a 1.4X or 2X tele converter (lost my notes about which one it is), 1/1250 sec, ISO2800 lens at 850 mm (1275 mm 35 mm equivalent). Post production with Photoshop: auto tone, contrast, color and sharpened once. Regardless of how sharp or soft it shows how the squirrel hold the almond while nibbling on it. This makes the photograph worthwhile in my view. But, then I am the person who has written several times that in my view too much is often made of of sharpness. The image on the right is the same lens at 270 mm no adapter. Same post production.
The close up insert was taken with the Tamron 150... (show quote)


It has to be the 2x. The 1.4x gets you to a max of 840mm.

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