Lithium Ion batteries
Oct 17, 2023 10:00:14 #
DaveyDitzer
Loc: Western PA
R.G. wrote:
It's a possibility but not a common one. Modern lithium batteries have safeguards built into them to make them safer. What's not so safe is the sort of battery that's being used in electric vehicles. The number of explosions and vehicle fires is being played down due to lack of reporting. Apparently in China alone there have been thousands.
WE just bought Li ion powered e-bikes and are following the manufacturer's directions about using these. For longer storage we were directed to remove the batteries at between 50% and 80% charge and store them in a well ventilated location, but not where they are subjected to < than 50 degrees. We even stored them on baking racks for more ventilation and not close to each other.
Oct 17, 2023 10:01:03 #
DaveyDitzer
Loc: Western PA
As a general reply, I have not heard of camera batteries being a problem. We did remove batteries from garden tools.
Oct 17, 2023 10:08:33 #
henryp wrote:
So, is Nikon remiss in their failure to warn us about their batteries?
Oct 17, 2023 10:09:56 #
SX2002 wrote:
We hear all the time about lithium ion batteries exploding or catching fire, has any ever had or heard of anyone having an issue like this with our camera batteries.. 
Not a camera battery story, but my wife’s IPad burst into flames while on her nightstand, charging. No abuse or mishandling.
The good news is that, based on the reactions of multiple Apple folks we dealt with in the aftermath, this must be a very rare occurrence.
Oct 17, 2023 10:22:11 #
henryp wrote:
Thank you so much for presenting this factual post.
Oct 17, 2023 10:58:58 #
jackpinoh wrote:
...2. Overall, the number of vehicle fires per 100,000 vehicles is higher for internal combustion engine vehicles than for battery electric vehicles. But EV fires are always greatly publicized while other vehicle fires rarely are.....
Yes, fires in petrol and diesel vehicles are more common but the figures include vehicle fires that were started deliberately (more than half) either for insurance purposes or as acts of vandalism or to destroy evidence of criminal activity.
Where EV fires are concerned the reporting seems to be very inconsistent. According to one report there were 393 verified fires worldwide, and in another report 239 fires were recorded in the UK alone in the year from July 2022 to June 2023. It seems to me that reports depend greatly on who is doing the reporting and also on how up to date the information is.
Oct 17, 2023 12:02:19 #
Aerial cameras from companies like DJI (a.k.a. "drones") are very battery dependent. The batteries are "smart" in that they automatically self discharge when stored to a "safe" charge of about 60%.
I have yet to read about fires in the drone forums I follow. My conclusion is that they are rare.
I have yet to read about fires in the drone forums I follow. My conclusion is that they are rare.
Oct 17, 2023 12:08:42 #
A neighbor built a self designed boat using a couple of recycled electric car batteries. We don't know, but my guess is he got them from cars that had been wrecked. One day there was a spontaneous fire. The guess is that one of the many tiny cells "shorted".
The fire was amazing! It was hot enough to melt a lot of things around it. Two motorhomes parked near it were totaled. Ours was next in line but escaped damage.
The fire department could not put it out. Thousands of gallons water were used to try to keep it cool while it burned itself out. There are no foams or agents that will put out an EV battery fire.
The fire was amazing! It was hot enough to melt a lot of things around it. Two motorhomes parked near it were totaled. Ours was next in line but escaped damage.
The fire department could not put it out. Thousands of gallons water were used to try to keep it cool while it burned itself out. There are no foams or agents that will put out an EV battery fire.
Oct 17, 2023 12:35:58 #
larryepage
Loc: North Texas area
DaveO wrote:
I can find no such reference to the EN-EL3's, but I know for a fact, according to Nikon, that there was a voluntary recall/exchange on certain EN-EL15's and no other batteries were affected. 
The EN-EL15s were recalled/exchanged because they didn't meet published performance specifications, not for safety-related problems.. The original EN-EL15 supposedly would not even work in the D500. I have no personal knowledge of that, but I do know that my local camera stores did not do the swap they were supposed to have done before selling a couple of cameras to me.
I was told of the EN-EL3 problem by a NikonUSA rep who was in my local camera store one day. And I know that an original EN-El3 battery will not load into either a D300s or a D90 battery compartment. You are certainly free to believe whatever you wish.
Oct 17, 2023 12:40:35 #
larryepage
Loc: North Texas area
DaveO wrote:
So, is Nikon remiss in their failure to warn us about their batteries?
The Nikon EN-EL3 situation was well over 10 years ago. It was well-communicated in my part of the world.
Oct 17, 2023 13:20:10 #
R.G. wrote:
Yes, fires in petrol and diesel vehicles are more ... (show quote)
Also look for the number of gas/diesel vehicles vs ev.
Oct 17, 2023 13:27:14 #
SX2002 wrote:
We hear all the time about lithium ion batteries exploding or catching fire, has any ever had or heard of anyone having an issue like this with our camera batteries..
We hear all the time. I'm still waiting
Oct 17, 2023 13:32:23 #
FrankN
Loc: Maryland, USA
My nephew works at a land fill. He says lithium batteries (improperly disposed of at the land fill) regularly explode when heavy equipment runs
over them.
over them.
Oct 17, 2023 18:59:50 #
mtcoothaman
Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
SX2002 wrote:
If you don't understand the question, don't waste my time with a stupid reply...I take it you don't watch the nightly news...there have been several cars exploding in various countries around the world and even on cargo ships. We've had a lot of electric scooters burst into flames here as well...even a friends electric wheelchair... 
good response
Oct 18, 2023 00:01:49 #
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