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Oct 17, 2023 01:28:42   #
SX2002 Loc: Adelaide, South Australia
 
We hear all the time about lithium ion batteries exploding or catching fire, has any ever had or heard of anyone having an issue like this with our camera batteries..

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Oct 17, 2023 01:43:40   #
User ID
 
SX2002 wrote:
We hear all the time about lithium ion batteries exploding or catching fire, has any ever had or heard of anyone having an issue like this with our camera batteries..

Who is "we" ?
When is "all the time" ?

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Oct 17, 2023 01:48:59   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
It's a possibility but not a common one. Modern lithium batteries have safeguards built into them to make them safer. What's not so safe is the sort of battery that's being used in electric vehicles. The number of explosions and vehicle fires is being played down due to lack of reporting. Apparently in China alone there have been thousands.

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Oct 17, 2023 01:57:34   #
SX2002 Loc: Adelaide, South Australia
 
User ID wrote:
Who is "we" ?
When is "all the time" ?


If you don't understand the question, don't waste my time with a stupid reply...I take it you don't watch the nightly news...there have been several cars exploding in various countries around the world and even on cargo ships. We've had a lot of electric scooters burst into flames here as well...even a friends electric wheelchair...

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Oct 17, 2023 02:04:25   #
SX2002 Loc: Adelaide, South Australia
 
R.G. wrote:
It's a possibility but not a common one. Modern lithium batteries have safeguards built into them to make them safer. What's not so safe is the sort of battery that's being used in electric vehicles. The number of explosions and vehicle fires is being played down due to lack of reporting. Apparently in China alone there have been thousands.


Thanks RG, yes, we hear quite often on the news about this happening, cars mostly but I've never heard of a camera battery exploding or bursting into flame...
Be interesting to hear form others...
Cheers,
Ron.

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Oct 17, 2023 02:16:34   #
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SX2002 wrote:
If you don't understand the question, don't waste my time with a stupid reply...I take it you don't watch the nightly news...there have been several cars exploding in various countries around the world and even on cargo ships. We've had a lot of electric scooters burst into flames here as well...even a friends electric wheelchair...

You describe a statistical insignificance. But if you enjoy getting all paranoidal about it then just keep following that worldwide "news".

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Oct 17, 2023 07:38:13   #
TerryVS
 
SX2002 wrote:
We hear all the time about lithium ion batteries exploding or catching fire, has any ever had or heard of anyone having an issue like this with our camera batteries..


I've never heard of a camera battery exploding however things like the cheap Chinese scooters with cheap batteries have caused a number of fires.

That said I wouldn't charge my camera batteries in the camera unless I had no other choice. I also don't buy cheap aftermarket batteries.

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Oct 17, 2023 07:43:03   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
R.G. wrote:
It's a possibility but not a common one. Modern lithium batteries have safeguards built into them to make them safer. What's not so safe is the sort of battery that's being used in electric vehicles. The number of explosions and vehicle fires is being played down due to lack of reporting. Apparently in China alone there have been thousands.

1. Some electrical vehicle manufacturers (GM, Hyundai) have had more problems with battery fires than others (Tesla).
2. Overall, the number of vehicle fires per 100,000 vehicles is higher for internal combustion engine vehicles than for battery electric vehicles. But EV fires are always greatly publicized while other vehicle fires rarely are.
3. While Sony had a well publicized problem with Li Ion batteries in the mid-2000s, laptop and camera battery fires are very rare and are usually the result of damaged batteries.
4. Currently, electrical vehicle, laptop and camera manufacturers include protective circuits to prevent overcharging and over-discharging, more robust battery casings, and advanced battery chemistries.

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Oct 17, 2023 08:09:27   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
SX2002 wrote:
We hear all the time about lithium ion batteries exploding or catching fire, has any ever had or heard of anyone having an issue like this with our camera batteries..


Nikon moved from the EN-EL3 to the EN-EL-3e battery (D200, D300, D90, others) because of reported battery fires. Contacts on that battery were fully exposed and easily shorted together. The EN-EL-15 series, which replaced it in newer camera models, has a completely different recessed terminal design which guards against that possibility. EN-EL3e cases were also changed, as were the battery chambers in the last models to use it, preventing use of the original battery. Some of the problem was traced to impurities in the battery materials.

Lithium is an incredibly reactive chemical element, as are many of its compounds, which is the main reason that lithium batteries can contain and provide so much energy. They are generally safe when handled and used properly, but can quickly become dangerous if mishandled or abused.

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Oct 17, 2023 09:29:54   #
kpmac Loc: Ragley, La
 
jackpinoh wrote:
1. Some electrical vehicle manufacturers (GM, Hyundai) have had more problems with battery fires than others (Tesla).
2. Overall, the number of vehicle fires per 100,000 vehicles is higher for internal combustion engine vehicles than for battery electric vehicles. But EV fires are always greatly publicized while other vehicle fires rarely are.
3. While Sony had a well publicized problem with Li Ion batteries in the mid-2000s, laptop and camera battery fires are very rare and are usually the result of damaged batteries.
4. Currently, electrical vehicle, laptop and camera manufacturers include protective circuits to prevent overcharging and over-discharging, more robust battery casings, and advanced battery chemistries.
1. Some electrical vehicle manufacturers (GM, Hyu... (show quote)


The problem is lithium fires are very hard to extinguish.

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Oct 17, 2023 09:30:01   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
User ID wrote:
Who is "we" ?
When is "all the time" ?



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Oct 17, 2023 09:32:01   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
R.G. wrote:
It's a possibility but not a common one. Modern lithium batteries have safeguards built into them to make them safer. What's not so safe is the sort of battery that's being used in electric vehicles. The number of explosions and vehicle fires is being played down due to lack of reporting. Apparently in China alone there have been thousands.



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Oct 17, 2023 09:38:06   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
larryepage wrote:
Nikon moved from the EN-EL3 to the EN-EL-3e battery (D200, D300, D90, others) because of reported battery fires. Contacts on that battery were fully exposed and easily shorted together. The EN-EL-15 series, which replaced it in newer camera models, has a completely different recessed terminal design which guards against that possibility. EN-EL3e cases were also changed, as were the battery chambers in the last models to use it, preventing use of the original battery. Some of the problem was traced to impurities in the battery materials.

Lithium is an incredibly reactive chemical element, as are many of its compounds, which is the main reason that lithium batteries can contain and provide so much energy. They are generally safe when handled and used properly, but can quickly become dangerous if mishandled or abused.
Nikon moved from the EN-EL3 to the EN-EL-3e batter... (show quote)


I can find no such reference to the EN-EL3's, but I know for a fact, according to Nikon, that there was a voluntary recall/exchange on certain EN-EL15's and no other batteries were affected.

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Oct 17, 2023 09:39:28   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
SX2002 wrote:
We hear all the time about lithium ion batteries exploding or catching fire, has any ever had or heard of anyone having an issue like this with our camera batteries..


I've witnessed one exploding in a golf cart, but not a camera battery.

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Oct 17, 2023 09:57:59   #
henryp Loc: New York, NY
 
SX2002 wrote:
We hear all the time about lithium ion batteries exploding or catching fire, has any ever had or heard of anyone having an issue like this with our camera batteries..


https://petapixel.com/2018/05/30/when-your-camera-battery-bursts-into-flames/

An external flash burnt down the house:
https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/2556734/family-charger-explode-house-inferno/

Another flash exploding, luckily only a garden fire:

https://www.diyphotography.net/watch-as-this-flashpoint-godox-battery-pack-explodes-on-camera/

Camera battery exploded in the airport:

https://petapixel.com/2017/11/11/camera-battery-explodes-airport-sparking-panic/

DSLR battery fire:

https://petapixel.com/2018/05/30/when-your-camera-battery-bursts-into-flames/

Read more at: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/137-photographic-industry-professionals/434603-lithium-ion-batteries-collection-photographers-fires-explosions.html#ixzz8GPDTMqUx

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