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Oct 17, 2023 04:05:12   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Once again using “quote reply” will allow us to know who you’re responding to. What User ID was referring to when he said you’re at f/8 at 600mm was the fact that the lens has an actual focal length of 108mm. The small sensor size means that it will give you the same angle of view as a 600mm lens on a full frame camera. They call the difference the “crop factor”. Any sensor smaller than full frame has a crop factor. Your Nikons all have APS-C sensors. They have a crop factor of 1.5. That means the 18-400 lens on the D5500 is equivalent to a 27-600 lens on FF. The FZ200 has a crop factor of 5.6. The thing with the crop factor is it also applies to the aperture, not in the light capturing, but in depth of field. So while that 108mm lens at f/2.8 still works for exposure like an actual 600mm lens, the depth of field will be equivalent to a 600mm lens at over 5 stops higher, closer to f/11.
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whatdat wrote:
Oops. The d5500 wears a 18-140. However,
Bridge camera fz200 reaches to 600 with a constant 2.8.


OK - Just to be accurate, that is comparing 2 different things. The 600 is a 35mm equivalent, or it magnifies as much as a 600mm lens on a 35mm (full frame) camera. The 140 is a true 140, but with the 1.5 crop factor camera, it has a 35mm equivalent of 140 X 1.5 or 210mm.

The FZ200 is an older camera. So is the FZ80. You might want to compare them. They are both 1/2.3" sensor types.

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Oct 17, 2023 06:22:12   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Once again using “quote reply” will allow us to know who you’re responding to. What User ID was referring to when he said you’re at f/8 at 600mm was the fact that the lens has an actual focal length of 108mm. The small sensor size means that it will give you the same angle of view as a 600mm lens on a full frame camera. They call the difference the “crop factor”. Any sensor smaller than full frame has a crop factor. Your Nikons all have APS-C sensors. They have a crop factor of 1.5. That means the 18-400 lens on the D5500 is equivalent to a 27-600 lens on FF. The FZ200 has a crop factor of 5.6. The thing with the crop factor is it also applies to the aperture, not in the light capturing, but in depth of field. So while that 108mm lens at f/2.8 still works for exposure like an actual 600mm lens, the depth of field will be equivalent to a 600mm lens at over 5 stops higher, closer to f/11.
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My reply corrected my typing error concerning the lens on my d5500. It is an 18-140, not 400. That gives me a 35mm equivalent 27-210. The 2.8 I discussed is what the review posted as a constant aperture from 24-600 with the fz200 bridge camera lens.

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Oct 17, 2023 07:26:17   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
whatdat wrote:
My reply corrected my typing error concerning the lens on my d5500. It is an 18-140, not 400. That gives me a 35mm equivalent 27-210. The 2.8 I discussed is what the review posted as a constant aperture from 24-600 with the fz200 bridge camera lens.


You might look at what you have and what you want to accomplish. You already have multiple duplicative cropped (DX) Nikon models. Granted, there are performance differences between the D5xxx line and the D7xxx, but they're really much the same camera, one a subset of the other. The windows for dumping the older versions of each camera is probably closed, selling for anything other than a pittance in late 2023. But still, they're just taking up space and thought unnecessarily.

As you consider a smaller walkaround camera, that calls into question three of the bodies, everything but the D7500. The f/2.8 aperture and the 600mm equivalent focal length sounds like even the D7500 is a candidate replacement too. This Lumix body won't be a successful replacement for the DSLR and lenses. But, something for a smaller general purpose digital is an overall good idea.

The small 12MP is the limiting factor in my eyes. If every image was perfect framed and close enough, yes, 12MP is fine. But, there's no reason to limit yourself and your potential cropping. Look instead for something small, possibly smaller to fit in a pants pocket / purse, in the 20MP+ range. The Sony Cybershots and Canon PowerShots are the competitors, ranging from the larger Sony RX10## that maps to the Lumix to the Canon G-series, some that are sized like a deck of cards.

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Oct 17, 2023 09:08:29   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You might look at what you have and what you want to accomplish. You already have multiple duplicative cropped (DX) Nikon models. Granted, there are performance differences between the D5xxx line and the D7xxx, but they're really much the same camera, one a subset of the other. The windows for dumping the older versions of each camera is probably closed, selling for anything other than a pittance in late 2023. But still, they're just taking up space and thought unnecessarily.

As you consider a smaller walkaround camera, that calls into question three of the bodies, everything but the D7500. The f/2.8 aperture and the 600mm equivalent focal length sounds like even the D7500 is a candidate replacement too. This Lumix body won't be a successful replacement for the DSLR and lenses. But, something for a smaller general purpose digital is an overall good idea.

The small 12MP is the limiting factor in my eyes. If every image was perfect framed and close enough, yes, 12MP is fine. But, there's no reason to limit yourself and your potential cropping. Look instead for something small, possibly smaller to fit in a pants pocket / purse, in the 20MP+ range. The Sony Cybershots and Canon PowerShots are the competitors, ranging from the larger Sony RX10## that maps to the Lumix to the Canon G-series, some that are sized like a deck of cards.
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Good thoughts. I already have a Fuji pocketable camera that I bought for a rafting trip several years ago, but without a evf that served its purpose but is a PIA to use sometimes when it is sunny. I still use my DSLR’s but thought the fz200 would serve for a lightweight camera with a bit more reach. I am looking at it for two reasons as opposed to others; cost and a constant 2.8 throughout the whole range.

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Oct 17, 2023 09:14:37   #
Series1 Loc: Atlanta GA
 
whatdat wrote:
I’m looking at the fz200. The fz300 is waterproof but cost considerably more & I don’t believe it has a constant 2.8 aperture throughout the range (28 -600) of the lens. Looking at the fz200, with an evf, forthe size & weight. At the price it’s listed it at it not be a lot to lose if it got damaged. Reviews spoke favorably considering the age.


I own a DMC-FZ300 - the aperture is 2.8 throughout the zoom range. As other posters have stated, it's a small sensor camera - 1/2.3".

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Oct 17, 2023 09:22:13   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
whatdat wrote:
Good thoughts. I already have a Fuji pocketable camera that I bought for a rafting trip several years ago, but without a evf that served its purpose but is a PIA to use sometimes when it is sunny. I still use my DSLR’s but thought the fz200 would serve for a lightweight camera with a bit more reach. I am looking at it for two reasons as opposed to others; cost and a constant 2.8 throughout the whole range.


I'd argue f/2.8 is 'so what' for a super zoom on a 2x crop factor sensor. Better options do seem to be more expensive, but better options may be a better choice too.

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Oct 17, 2023 15:04:15   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
Series1 wrote:
I own a DMC-FZ300 - the aperture is 2.8 throughout the zoom range. As other posters have stated, it's a small sensor camera - 1/2.3".


Waterproof, too, I believe. How do you like it?

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Oct 17, 2023 17:45:38   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
whatdat wrote:
Waterproof, too, I believe. How do you like it?


Weathersealed, and on a superzoom bridge camera I would take that with a grain of salt. There’s only so much sealing they can do on those lenses.

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Oct 17, 2023 23:43:16   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Weathersealed, and on a superzoom bridge camera I would take that with a grain of salt. There’s only so much sealing they can do on those lenses.


Good point.

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