B&W mystery (Page 3): I don't think you gain anything by converting a JPEG to a TIFF and just work with the JPEG file when one is presented to me.

Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.

DIRTY HARRY wrote:

I don't really know the answer to this but why would you save anything as a jpg before you're going to print it or distribute it some how? If I have anything that comes in as a jpg that I might want to do something with I save it as a TIF, play wit it a bit , and when I'm ready to use it go back to jpg. Am I wasting my time? Is this stupid?

I don't think you gain anything by converting a JPEG to a TIFF and just work with the JPEG file when one is presented to me.

James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)

DIRTY HARRY wrote:

I don't really know the answer to this but why would you save anything as a jpg before you're going to print it or distribute it somehow? If I have anything that comes in as a jpg that I might want to do something with I save it as a TIF, play with it a bit, and when I'm ready to use it go back to jpg. Am I wasting my time? Is this stupid?

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I think NOT.

My way is to capture in RAW content. Save the RAW files to my computer's HD - AND Two Other External Drives. ((I had a house fire once - lost everything that was not in my truck. EVERYTHING - Including ALL my film negative since age 12.))

Going back to the HD on the computer, I Open with "Bridge" and Open as RAW. I do a little this and that... (Ok Sometimes a LOT of THAT.)) Finally, crop to print size - most often to 13X19 and sometimes to 20X30 - and SAVE AS A TIF. (jpg's will come later on for posting).

There are a lot of others who choose to only shoot in jpg and use that for printing. That fine for them --- Not Me.

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DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan

HOWEVER, Not every camera or photo has RAW capabilities (cell phones and film and slide scans for instance).My question is am I better off working in TIF or JPG format in these instances in an attempt to reduce degradation of the image?

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

DIRTY HARRY wrote:

HOWEVER, Not every camera or photo has RAW capabilities (cell phones and film and slide scans for instance).My question is am I better off working in TIF or JPG format in these instances in an attempt to reduce degradation of the image?

If you don't have the ability to record raw, the best strategy is to set your camera's settings (sharpening, contrast, saturation, noise reduction) to minimal effect. Then open the image and set it to 16 bit tiff. Jpeg is great for output, but not the best choice if you want to edit an image. Tiff is better. You won't add anything with tiff, but you will lose less while editing.

DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan

Gene51 wrote:

If you don't have the ability to record raw, the best strategy is to set your camera's settings (sharpening, contrast, saturation, noise reduction) to minimal effect. Then open the image and set it to 16 bit tiff. Jpeg is great for output, but not the best choice if you want to edit an image. Tiff is better. You won't add anything with tiff, but you will lose less while editing.

Finally, THE answere to my question. Thank you.

User ID

rwilson1942 wrote:

Please do point out what I missed in boberic's
post since I can't seem to find anything there
that I am unaware of.
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Thanks to all for you help.

In his instructions, notice the "save as".

IOW, you needed to create a new file,
a grayscale file. Your problem was that
you copied an RGB file, so it remained
an RGB file. The you viewed that copy
in the same viewer, which had attached
metadata instructing that file was to be
displayed as monochrome. But attached
metadata does not constitute an actual
conversion of the image data from RGB
data to grayscale data.

Simply, you needed to "save as" a new,
and independent, grayscale image file.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

User ID wrote:

In his instructions, notice the " u i save a... (show quote)

DRWin Loc: SoCal

came across this thread while dealing with a somewhat similar issue.
some things here don't seem to add up.
if i 'copy to folder' i end up with a color image in the new folder, since i didn't save the change from color to grayscale. so i don't know how the OP got BW in a new folder.
however, you will get BW if you copy and paste. i just opened a color image, converted to grayscale, did not save, copied the image and pasted it into an email. it's grayscale in the email. what i copy from the screen is what gets pasted.
BTW, instead color sliders or whatever, either use grayscale (one click) or select either color or lighting and set saturation to zero (two clicks).

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

DRWin wrote:

came across this thread while dealing with a somew... (show quote)

Zombie resurrection of 2019 thread.
Why? Were any minds changed, or souls saved?

User ID

rwilson1942 wrote:

I didn't ask how to make a B&W image, I ask why they don't stay B&W when I try to post one to a web site.

Appently your BW conversion command only addresses the viewer. Theres a rather similar situation with image rotation in some viewers. Seems you are not actually editing anything, just changing the viewing controls.

DRWin Loc: SoCal

CHG_CANON wrote:

Zombie resurrection of 2019 thread.
Why? Were any minds changed, or souls saved?

the thread is old but obviously the underlying issue may be of interest for years. it's distressing that short-term thinking should dominate any site that conveys knowledge. the very concept of a 'zombie' post implies that no concept or discussion is worth saving or adding to. there are few topics in this world about which one can say that everything that can or should be said has been said.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

DRWin wrote:

the thread is old but obviously the underlying issue may be of interest for years. it's distressing that short-term thinking should dominate any site that conveys knowledge. the very concept of a 'zombie' post implies that no concept or discussion is worth saving or adding to. there are few topics in this world about which one can say that everything that can or should be said has been said.

Get real. No, no relevance, not even your made up kind. The OP hasn't participated anywhere on the site since June 2022. They're not looking for any updates either.

jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania

rwilson1942 wrote:

I didn't ask how to make a B&W image, I ask why they don't stay B&W when I try to post one to a web site.

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You have to "Save" a copy with a different name. When you did a copy without saving a new copy first, all you did was copy the original picture as it was before you did anything to it.