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Sep 21, 2023 07:37:33   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
burkphoto wrote:
It would have to be a hybrid to meet mileage requirements, and it would have to meet current safety standards. It would look quite a bit different — both inside and out — under current circumstances. As fond as I am of that design, I'd pass. Technology marches on...


Yep, I realize that, but we all still have a little yearning for that RETRO look... I think it conjures up memories of good times which are lacking a lot now days for a lot of folks...

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Sep 21, 2023 07:41:13   #
agillot
 
That is a winner !

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Sep 21, 2023 08:12:02   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
OldCADuser wrote:
To see what I mean about this Nikon 'retro-look', here's what the new Zf looks like. Note that it's also available in all-black so at least they're not going all the way back into camera history to get this new look:


I like the retro look, and if the camera looked like the one pictured, I'd buy it.

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Sep 21, 2023 08:17:13   #
nikon123 Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
I have been a Nikon camera owner for 50+ years. My first camera was the Ftn, as traditional a SLR as they come. The Zf looks attractive to me because I like disls on the camera. While I can navigate the menu on my Z6, I really prefer the dials. Being somewhat (very) technologically challenged, I have never used the pre-set buttons. In any event shooting situations are rarely consistent. I’m goung to take a close look at this new camera.

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Sep 21, 2023 08:28:44   #
BebuLamar
 
whfowle wrote:
The idea of a digital camera that performs like a film 35mm SLR is what Nikon is trying to do. According to some sources, the Zfc is selling quite well, so Nikon decided to make a FF version. Maybe they also are looking to cut into Fujifilm's X-T series of cameras' market share. Whatever. But Nikon doesn't make any modern lenses with an aperture ring, so it kind of falls short. You could, of course, use the F adapter and couple Nikon's old manual focus lenses on the camera but that only adds more weight. The original Nikon F was a very light camera when used with primes. I will stick with my Fuji X-T1.
The idea of a digital camera that performs like a ... (show quote)


Nikon doesn't have any Z lenses with the aperture ring. Yes some with the control ring you can use to set the aperture with but the aperture number is not on the ring and you have to turn the camera on to set the aperture.

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Sep 21, 2023 08:34:24   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
nikon123 wrote:
I have been a Nikon camera owner for 50+ years. My first camera was the Ftn, as traditional a SLR as they come. The Zf looks attractive to me because I like disls on the camera. While I can navigate the menu on my Z6, I really prefer the dials. Being somewhat (very) technologically challenged, I have never used the pre-set buttons. In any event shooting situations are rarely consistent. I’m goung to take a close look at this new camera.

My Pentax “Super Program” - the middle camera in my photo - has button control of shutter speed, so I don’t believe that complete dependence on dial control was a part of ‘the look’.

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Sep 21, 2023 09:26:07   #
BebuLamar
 
rehess wrote:
My Pentax “Super Program” - the middle camera in my photo - has button control of shutter speed, so I don’t believe that complete dependence on dial control was a part of ‘the look’.


The button controls is the worst type of controls. After Pentax, Minolta used them for their early AF models. The counting wheel type that are common today is better but I prefer the good old dial.
Your AE-1 Program has a conventional shutter speed dial which is meant to be turned with 2 fingers (even though it's newer than the original AE-1 or A-1). The original AE-1 and especially the A-1 shutter speed dials are meant to be turned with only 1 finger. It's hard to put 2 finger on the AE-1 dial and impossible on the A-1.

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Sep 21, 2023 09:27:00   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
OldCADuser wrote:
but the Nikon Zfc is the same camera in chrome


No, the Zfc is a crop sensor. The Zf is full frame. Personally, I love the dials on my FujiFilm bodies.

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Sep 21, 2023 09:34:35   #
nikon123 Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
I don’t understand your commentary. You say that the button controls are the worst. Why? With respect to the Zf, are these button controls included in your classification of ‘worst’?

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Sep 21, 2023 10:00:08   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
The button controls is the worst type of controls. After Pentax, Minolta used them for their early AF models. The counting wheel type that are common today is better but I prefer the good old dial.
Your AE-1 Program has a conventional shutter speed dial which is meant to be turned with 2 fingers (even though it's newer than the original AE-1 or A-1). The original AE-1 and especially the A-1 shutter speed dials are meant to be turned with only 1 finger. It's hard to put 2 finger on the AE-1 dial and impossible on the A-1.
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All the cameras in my photo are manual focus - but demonstrate how they were designed ‘back in the day’. Today , Pentax does use one-finger dials ….. and most recently have gone back to the ‘retro look’. In fact, my wife thought I had left out my old “Super Program” (purchased in 1983) {middle of photo} when she was actually looking at my recently arrived new KP (purchased in 2018).

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Sep 21, 2023 10:01:24   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
OldCADuser wrote:
I just saw an advert for the new Nikon Zf series of full-frame mirrorless cameras and they're really pushing this 'retro-look'. I don't know, but first off, one of the reasons, at least this is how I see it, in going mirrorless was so that camera designers would no longer be locked into a configuration dictated by the optical path of a mirror and viewfinder.

And to make this 'retro-look' even more pronounced, it appears that they're moving more of the controls back to dedicated knobs on the top of the camera. All they're missing is a faux film-advance and hinge on the side of the body.

Now I'll be the first to acknowledge that the LCD screen-based menu systems on many digital cameras can be frustrating (after all, I own Sony cameras ;-) but things have gotten better and with the introduction of customizable buttons (my Sony a6500 has three), you can at least program the most common option settings that you need quick access to.

Anyway, what do others think of this effort...

Disclaimer: I've never owned a Nikon, film-based or otherwise, and have been mirrorless since 2013 when I bought a Sony NEX-3N. My current mainline camera is a Sony a6500, but I've still got an a6000 and a A65 DSLR, which are occasionally called into service.

To see what I mean about this Nikon 'retro-look', here's what the new Zf looks like. Note that it's also available in all-black so at least they're not going all the way back into camera history to get this new look:
I just saw an advert for the new Nikon Zf series o... (show quote)


The pic you are showing is not the Zf. It’s the Zfc. Nikon is not pushing it. They are offering it as one of many camera alternatives. Why are you so concerned? Are you afraid Nikon will require you to buy it?

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Sep 21, 2023 10:04:09   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
larryepage wrote:
Actually, it's only available in black, with various colors of leatherette available.

The funny thing to me is that the target market is young folks from 25-35 or so, but they are getting gobbled up by older folks who already have much better cameras. I took a stroll thrugh the detailed information on the NikonUSA website this morning, and while there are a couple of features and specifications that are interesting, for the most part, this camera is operationally pretty unremarkable. Some of the most interesting and eye-catching specs, on closer examination, are applicable only in very limited situations or in ery particular circumstances. And while the video capabilities seem very impressive, the camera uses only an SD and a Micro SD card, none of the more modern, more capable options.

I do own and use Nikon cameras. I would prefer that they focus on designing and making more useful mainstream cameras, or that they would focus this energy and money on supporting the millions of F mount cameras that are still in service and will remain so for many years. This is not a camera that I will buy.
Actually, it's only available in black, with vario... (show quote)


Guess what. You Don’t have to buy it.

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Sep 21, 2023 10:04:53   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
MrBob wrote:
Yep, I realize that, but we all still have a little yearning for that RETRO look... I think it conjures up memories of good times which are lacking a lot now days for a lot of folks...


Well, I'm 68 and have liked change all my life. I grew up acutely aware of the massive changes of the 1960s and '70s. Yes, change is inconvenient, confusing, and hard for some neanderthals to accept, but it is the state of BEING. We can buck it, resist it, try to block it, but it's gonna happen, just like Admin screwing around with the daily digest on UHH.

Change is like evolution: Naturally, changes that fit the environment prosper, while bad mutations die off.

I look up in the case next to me at cameras from the '30s, '40s, '50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, and '90s... They all seem quaint and rather inadequate to the task of modern imaging. I have *zero* desire to buy a modern recreation of my Nikon FTn. It was bulletproof, but awkward and ergonomically painful to use. The metal film winding lever wore a callus on my thumb. The shutter release was too small, and too far back on the camera for comfort. The finder leaked dust. You had to take the back off to change film! Fortunately, all of those issues were fixed in the Nikon F3. (The F2 fixed few of them.)

I enjoy modern, purpose-built technology that is designed to fix issues with past designs.

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Sep 21, 2023 10:05:46   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
OldCADuser wrote:
Technically you're correct, the Nikon Zf is only available in black, but the Nikon Zfc is the same camera in chrome, and in fact, was introduced first, I guess to help reinforce that 'retro-look'. Note that the last chrome camera I had was a Minolta XG-M which I bought in 1982.


Nikon Zfc is not the same camera.

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Sep 21, 2023 10:06:07   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
leftj wrote:
Guess what. You Don’t have to buy it.


Looks like no one else is either.

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