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Sep 20, 2023 17:12:54   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The young man who already lusts for newer gear is already an old man.

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Sep 20, 2023 17:18:28   #
OldCADuser Loc: Irvine, CA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
You posted a shot of the Nikon Zfc, a different camera. The Zfc is a crop sensor camera that comes in both silver and black top. The Zf announced today is a fullframe camera in black top with different skin colors.

I already apologized at 12:40:46 for my misunderstanding of the differences between these two models:
OldCADuser wrote:
Sorry about the mix-up with the Zf and Zfc. I didn't drill-down far enough to realize that the 'c' probably stood for 'cropped' and not 'chrome', but you have to admit, they look nearly identical (but the 28mm lens should have been a hint since that's a bit odd for a full-frame prime lens):

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Sep 20, 2023 18:43:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
MrBob wrote:
If you could buy a 57 Chevy Bel Air hardtop with fuel injection off the showroom floor right now would you be excited... I would depending on price Ha Ha.


It would have to be a hybrid to meet mileage requirements, and it would have to meet current safety standards. It would look quite a bit different — both inside and out — under current circumstances. As fond as I am of that design, I'd pass. Technology marches on...

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Sep 20, 2023 18:45:46   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
You posted a shot of the Nikon Zfc, a different camera. The Zfc is a crop sensor camera that comes in both silver and black top. The Zf announced today is a fullframe camera in black top with different skin colors.

Cheers



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Sep 20, 2023 18:46:58   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Don't be afraid to give up a good camera to buy a retro camera.

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Sep 20, 2023 23:16:03   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
OldCADuser wrote:
I just saw an advert for the new Nikon Zf series of full-frame mirrorless cameras and they're really pushing this 'retro-look'. I don't know, but first off, one of the reasons, at least this is how I see it, in going mirrorless was so that camera designers would no longer be locked into a configuration dictated by the optical path of a mirror and viewfinder.

And to make this 'retro-look' even more pronounced, it appears that they're moving more of the controls back to dedicated knobs on the top of the camera. All they're missing is a faux film-advance and hinge on the side of the body.

Now I'll be the first to acknowledge that the LCD screen-based menu systems on many digital cameras can be frustrating (after all, I own Sony cameras ;-) but things have gotten better and with the introduction of customizable buttons (my Sony a6500 has three), you can at least program the most common option settings that you need quick access to.

Anyway, what do others think of this effort...

Disclaimer: I've never owned a Nikon, film-based or otherwise, and have been mirrorless since 2013 when I bought a Sony NEX-3N. My current mainline camera is a Sony a6500, but I've still got an a6000 and a A65 DSLR, which are occasionally called into service.

To see what I mean about this Nikon 'retro-look', here's what the new Zf looks like. Note that it's also available in all-black so at least they're not going all the way back into camera history to get this new look:
I just saw an advert for the new Nikon Zf series o... (show quote)
Before the Canon T-90 came out most cameras had a certain 'look' - they had a small {if any} grip and a squared off prism housing; mine were silver and black, but some were all black.

Then an industrial designer designed the T-90 with a large "handle" and lots of curves; within a few years everyone was implementing that new 'look'.



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Sep 20, 2023 23:21:35   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
OldCADuser wrote:
Sorry about the mix-up with the Zf and Zfc. I didn't drill-down far enough to realize that the 'c' probably stood for 'cropped' and not 'chrome', but you have to admit, they look nearly identical (but the 28mm lens should have been a hint since that's a bit odd for a full-frame prime lens):

I have two film 28mm lenses - a "Takumar" and a "Pentax-M" both manufactured when film was king {so they're "FF" by definition}.

Now that I think of it, I have three 28mm lenses built for film cameras {"FF" by definition} - one came with the Canon "AE-1 Program" I inherited from my Mother.

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Sep 21, 2023 03:52:57   #
elee950021 Loc: New York, NY
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If high heels were so wonderful, men would be wearing them.


From the August, 2022 issue of Fast Company Magazine:
https://www.fastcompany.com/90775177/the-long-history-of-heels-from-a-symbol-of-mens-power-to-womens burden#:~:text=Heels%20were%20first%20invented%20in,the%20stirrups%2C%E2%80%9D%20says%20Steele.

High heel shoes were invented by men, first in Persia in the 10th century and they were originally designed for men. “Wealthy men wore them to give them additional height and when they rode on horseback, the heels clicked into the stirrups.” “But when Persian royalty traveled to the French courts in the 17th century, they brought the trend with them, and soon heels were widespread among men in European courts,” says Valerie Steele, Co-curator of a Fall exhibition at The Museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology, located on the New York City campus of the Fashion Institute of Technology, called "Shoes: Anatomy, Identity, Magic."

Be well all! Ed

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Sep 21, 2023 05:08:32   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
Longshadow wrote:
Sales (marketing) gimmick for a "nostalgia look".


May be a gimmick, but it worked for the Df, and the Zfc

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Sep 21, 2023 05:15:11   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
ken_stern wrote:
With me, it's not "The Look" that counts
Given a choice, I'm not a fan of the Retro-Look
I have always shot Canon no matter what they looked like & to the best of my knowledge they have not "yet" gone "Retro" -- But who knows
But to illustrate how much I really don't care --
If they offered no choice & went back to that "look" & offered a camera that had features & capabilities, I really wanted ---
What the hell I would purchase it & enjoy using it!!
With me, it's not "The Look" that counts... (show quote)


I'm not a fan of the "retro look" either, but I do like the idea of having dial controls, for one thing I can see many of the settings without having to turn the camera on and pushing buttons to see shutter speeds/exposure comp etc.

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Sep 21, 2023 05:46:28   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
OldCADuser wrote:
I just saw an advert for the new Nikon Zf series of full-frame mirrorless cameras and they're really pushing this 'retro-look'. I don't know, but first off, one of the reasons, at least this is how I see it, in going mirrorless was so that camera designers would no longer be locked into a configuration dictated by the optical path of a mirror and viewfinder.

And to make this 'retro-look' even more pronounced, it appears that they're moving more of the controls back to dedicated knobs on the top of the camera. All they're missing is a faux film-advance and hinge on the side of the body.

Now I'll be the first to acknowledge that the LCD screen-based menu systems on many digital cameras can be frustrating (after all, I own Sony cameras ;-) but things have gotten better and with the introduction of customizable buttons (my Sony a6500 has three), you can at least program the most common option settings that you need quick access to.

Anyway, what do others think of this effort...

Disclaimer: I've never owned a Nikon, film-based or otherwise, and have been mirrorless since 2013 when I bought a Sony NEX-3N. My current mainline camera is a Sony a6500, but I've still got an a6000 and a A65 DSLR, which are occasionally called into service.

To see what I mean about this Nikon 'retro-look', here's what the new Zf looks like. Note that it's also available in all-black so at least they're not going all the way back into camera history to get this new look:
I just saw an advert for the new Nikon Zf series o... (show quote)


I like it.
Bruce

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Sep 21, 2023 05:53:48   #
ClarkJohnson Loc: Fort Myers, FL and Cohasset, MA
 
Yes, the “retro” look is a fad, but most of the comments here miss the point. Nikon sells cameras all over the world, and I understand that the Zfc was a HUGE success in Japan and, more importantly, China. While the company would be happy to sell these to nostalgic old farts in the US, I am sure the target market is the young people in Asia.

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Sep 21, 2023 07:18:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
OldCADuser wrote:
I just saw an advert for the new Nikon Zf series of full-frame mirrorless cameras and they're really pushing this 'retro-look'. I don't know, but first off, one of the reasons, at least this is how I see it, in going mirrorless was so that camera designers would no longer be locked into a configuration dictated by the optical path of a mirror and viewfinder.

And to make this 'retro-look' even more pronounced, it appears that they're moving more of the controls back to dedicated knobs on the top of the camera. All they're missing is a faux film-advance and hinge on the side of the body.

Now I'll be the first to acknowledge that the LCD screen-based menu systems on many digital cameras can be frustrating (after all, I own Sony cameras ;-) but things have gotten better and with the introduction of customizable buttons (my Sony a6500 has three), you can at least program the most common option settings that you need quick access to.

Anyway, what do others think of this effort...

Disclaimer: I've never owned a Nikon, film-based or otherwise, and have been mirrorless since 2013 when I bought a Sony NEX-3N. My current mainline camera is a Sony a6500, but I've still got an a6000 and a A65 DSLR, which are occasionally called into service.

To see what I mean about this Nikon 'retro-look', here's what the new Zf looks like. Note that it's also available in all-black so at least they're not going all the way back into camera history to get this new look:
I just saw an advert for the new Nikon Zf series o... (show quote)


Question, where are all the giddy posts of everyone placing their pre-orders in order to be the first to snag a Zf?
There was more hype here over the Zfc here than the Zf.

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Sep 21, 2023 07:26:34   #
whfowle Loc: Tampa first, now Albuquerque
 
The idea of a digital camera that performs like a film 35mm SLR is what Nikon is trying to do. According to some sources, the Zfc is selling quite well, so Nikon decided to make a FF version. Maybe they also are looking to cut into Fujifilm's X-T series of cameras' market share. Whatever. But Nikon doesn't make any modern lenses with an aperture ring, so it kind of falls short. You could, of course, use the F adapter and couple Nikon's old manual focus lenses on the camera but that only adds more weight. The original Nikon F was a very light camera when used with primes. I will stick with my Fuji X-T1.

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Sep 21, 2023 07:35:33   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
I would not kick it out of bed.

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