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Sep 13, 2023 09:27:28   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
https://www.unitedmfrs.com/

For equipmet and supplies, check out the above link.

I find that the prices from many of the local art suppliers and art chain stores are high and some do not have a complete selection of equipment and supplies. I have several professional suppliers- this one has an enormous selection fair prices and good service.

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Sep 13, 2023 11:09:59   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
CHuckle's wrote:
Great skill to have and offer to prospective customers and or for yourself. As a former Picture Framer, two MAIN golden rules:
1. ALWAYS make sure your cutting blades are sharp with no Knicks
2. Make sure you research mounting sprays/glue/peel-off sticky back mounting board for the correct action... acid-free and so forth.
Regardless, it's an incredible skill to have and enjoy the outcome.

"A picture framer is an artist in their own right, they complete the piece of art."
Great skill to have and offer to prospective custo... (show quote)


Exactly! Someone mentioned that a matte and a frame can distract from the artwork.This is only the case if the framer does not know what they are doing and randomly selects a frame, matte materl, or color that is incompatible with the composition, style, and colors in the artwork. A masterful framer will consider the best way to bring out the motif of the artwork.

Adhesives, coatings, and mounting materials, if not applied and selected with care, can be destructive to the artwork. Coatings, waxes, varnishes, and sprays that are not especially intended for photographs or ink-based prints can be harmful as well.

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Sep 13, 2023 13:48:20   #
MJPerini
 
I would add that if you are offering this as a service to customers, you can ask if they want archival materials. Galleries expect it. For your own use you can pick. Archival materials do cost 50% more and most mat board , backing board you buy at Michaels or Hobby Lobby is not archival or acid free.
With a large format Printer using Pigment inks the prints can last a very long time , when matted and framed and glazed with UV Acrylic they will last lifetimes.
Also, for your own work, if you standardize on a couple of sizes and use Nielsen frames you can change work from time to time without much hassle.
You do not have to Mat and frame everything to enjoy it or show it. I keep 'bodies of work' in archival clamshell or drop front boxes to allow viewing. People tend to love that experience.

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Sep 13, 2023 14:36:56   #
spaceytracey Loc: East Glacier Park, MT
 
Great info here. Gives me something to think about.

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Sep 14, 2023 00:28:13   #
MDI Mainer
 
CHuckle's wrote:

"A picture framer is an artist in their own right, they complete the piece of art."



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Sep 14, 2023 00:35:52   #
MDI Mainer
 
For those who are wary about the investment and skills needed for matting and framing, or in a pinch, this company does an outstanding job at a very fair price, has a great selection of frame stock and mat board, and their web site makes it easy to customize the frame and mat. Quick turn around time too. You can even upload an image and see exactly what the finished product will look like before you place the order.

https://www.framedestination.com/

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Sep 14, 2023 00:51:03   #
MDI Mainer
 
DRM wrote:
You're contemplating a three-prong process: making your own large prints; cutting your own mats; completing the process by framing the matted prints. Some excellent advice and observations above.

You might approach the process by acquiring the necessary equipment and becoming proficient in its use, one stage at a time. From personal experience, I would recommend beginning with the mat cutting segment of the process. For that, as several have suggested, a quality mat cutting system (and adequate space for using it) is imperative. I have used my Logan 650 mat cutter (forerunner of current 750 model) for close to 20 years. It has paid for itself hundreds of times over its original cost, plus it has allowed me to be more creative with my matting, and to do so on my schedule, not on that of a frame shop or a Michaels/Hobby Lobby type store.

Framing 4 Yourself and Dick Blick are both reliable sources for Logan equipment.
You're contemplating a three-prong process: makin... (show quote)


You make an excellent point about the work space. Accurate mat cutting greatly benefits from a very stable work bench and pleanty of room to maneuver around it. Good lighting to minimize shadows too.

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Sep 14, 2023 07:16:20   #
Artcameraman Loc: Springfield NH
 
My advice is if you have the time and space for the equipment do it, if not have it done by a professional. Acid free is the way to go but cost more. Bainbridge is what I use for my own work. The right color will make or break you photo.

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Sep 14, 2023 07:25:41   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
The Capt. wrote:
I am looking for equipment for framing and matting and I am wondering if anyone has any good experience with the equipment to do this.
I am also l am contemplating getting a large format printer and wondering about protective coatings for the paper.
Thank you.


You are going to get into some major expense. I use a local printer and local frame shop.
I do it professionally. The framer has more matts and frames than I could stock, it is actually cheaper for me to use these professional services than buying the equipment myself.
But you should really check around, many of the framers I have used over the past 30 years have gone out of business because folks just don't frame photo's like they used to. Many of those professional framers could not sell off their equipment because no one wanted it.
Most of that equipment is still working and in good repair. It would be worth trying to get all of the equipment used instead of new.
Again, how much framing are you planning on doing, this is a basically dying business. If your thinking about doing it professionally, I would think again about it. If your doing it for yourself, your going to be better off having the professionals do it for you.
Just an example, my personal printer bought a used large printer, used it cost him well over $3,000.00. Again, how much are you planning on doing.
IMHO, it is just not worth your investment.

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Sep 15, 2023 17:20:56   #
awesome14 Loc: UK
 
When I need a frame, I go to the thrift store. It usually has about 50 of them. I find one I like that's about the correct size, and pay $3-$4 for it. I take it home, pull off the backing paper, bend up the u nails, pull everything out. I clean the glass, trim the print and/or mat with a razor and straight-edge, and self-healing cutting mat.

i line up the print with the mat, and tape it in place. Put everything back in the frame, bend the u nails back down, and hang it up. I only a 13x19 printer, so sometimes I have to pay for printing.

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Sep 16, 2023 09:06:43   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
gonzo.3800 wrote:
Logan will have something in your budget for matting. Amazon for mats. Have been using my Logan 450 for over 10 years. They also make an oval/round cutter and framing tools. Cutting your own mats allows you to crop for the best picture not to some standard hole.


Yes, I have Logan Compact Elite myself... Custom sizing holes is the best feature. CROP with the mat...

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Sep 16, 2023 10:19:04   #
Benttree Loc: GA.
 
Hello Captain,
Do not go any those "HOBBY STORES " FLIMSY MODELS.
CUTTER TO GO IS LOGAN MODEL SIMPLEX 550-1 .
IT SIZE IS 45"X39", TO ABLE TO CUT STANDARD MAT-BOARDS TO FOUR 16"X 20".
AS WELL YOU WILL GET WITH THIS, BEVEL CUTTER, STRAIGHT CUTTER,STOPS AND BLADES, GLASS CUTTER, 8 PLY CUTTER, PAPER TRIMMER, PLASTIC CUTTER, GLASS OIL.
WWW. LOGANGRAPHIC .COM
THIS IS THE CUTTER FOR REST OF YOU LIFE.

I HAD THIS LOGAN HEAVY DUTY ON FROM YR.2012 WITH THOUSANDS 16"20" MATS.

I DO GET MY FRAMES FROM HOBBY LOBBY 50% DISCOUNTS ON ART SUPPLY TO LAST FOR NEXT SALE.

ONLY FRAMES I CUT ARE RUSTIC ROUGH SAWN FRAMES.
YOU WOULD NEED CORNER CLAMPS, BRAD NAILER, ELECTRIC MITER SAW AND TABLE SAW TO CUT THIS TYPE OF LUMBER, WOOD GLUE.
AS CYPRES , CEDAR ETC. TO USE THIS STYLE ON NATURE AND IT WILDLIFE IMAGES.

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Sep 16, 2023 14:06:12   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Actually as I have stated before, I think Image capture, matting, and Framing are as much of a Holy Trinity of " Presentation " as Iso, Aperture, and Shutter speed are a Holy Trinity of Acquisition. The GREATEST shot in the world is degraded by a bad presentation.

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Sep 16, 2023 21:19:52   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
There are lots of interesting and debatable opinions, which is good!

Just like what happens when we discuss photography, the conversation usually leans toward equipment. To do picture frame and matte cutting we do need the tools to do the work and just like in photography, framing, and presentation have many aspects and alternative methodologies.

You can cut mattes with an exacto knife or a simple matte cutter (a blade with a handle similar to a box cutter)or use a matte cutting device. There are all kidsof techniques such as beveling, v-grooving, matte carving, and a vast variety of matte boards in just about every shade and color. You can do the work yourself or outsource it to a local frame shop. Not every framing concept requires a matte.

As for frames, again the is an endless selection of pre-manufactured moldings and frames. You can use raw materials like wood or metals and make your own from scratch. You can restore discarded frames. You make frames in many geometric forms- square, rectangular, oval, circular, octagonal, spandrel (oval in a rectangle" or a Cathedral window shape. There are ornate frames with applied or carved ornamentation, gold leaf, and interesting washes.

Whether you do all the work yourself or outsource some or all of it, your most important function is as the DESIGNER! You want to create a total presentation to display and enhance your photograph.

Some argue that a frame or matte can distract from the image. This only happens when the framer does a bad job. Of course, you can go entirely traditional and simply center your print on white matte- leave a litt extra margin at the bottom and pop it into a nice frame. Or you can create a compound matte that places a thin line of color shader that picks up on a color in the image. You can off-center the print to enhance the negative space or cut an oval, circle, or elliptical opening. You can design the matte to coordinate and/or enhance the composition.

I have seen effective and unique framing concepts using every kind of traditional wood, stock metal molding, actual barnwood, antique lumber even plumbing pipe.

I like to include decorative concrete as well. If I know where the images go to hand, I will try to start the develop a concept even before I do their portraits. Someof my customers like minimalist decore and othere traditional, victorian, antique, rustic, art-deco- you name it.

I don't believe framing BUSINESS is dead or dying. Not every picture is framed and displayed. Many folks only view most of their images on a screen but everyone occasionally gets a "wall hanger". There are still many families and corporations that display traditional portraits, art (including photography) family photographs, and even industrial and commercial subjects. Not every family home is a shrine-like display of family pictures but outstanding portraits or photographic art expertly framed is still desirable in many homes and businesses. Framing business only dies if the proprietor does not know how to promote their business, keep up with the latest trends as well as the traditional concepts, and does not offer creative and unique choices to their customers.

If you commercialize your work in any way, you are missing out on additional income if you don't offer framing.

As any for y'all gearheads, if you think there are all kinds of supplies and gadgets for photography you ain't seen nothin' yet! A matte cutter is the tip of the iceberg! You might want a power miter saw or a chopper. How about a professional glass cutter, a compressor for your spray gun, an electrostatic duster, and a pneumatic nailer? A dry mounting press is handy. A framing point gun and a supply of points. glue, filler, brads, eyes, sawtooth hangers, wire, and if you go archival, there is an entire list of special hinges, spacers, and more expensive materials.

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Sep 18, 2023 16:16:09   #
The Capt.
 
Thank you much. I'm looking at buying a 44" printer as I have gotten up to 30x45 in print size and all I can print now is 19x13. Also any brand of equipment in what brands as well as the procedure for mounting the image, tape does not work well for larger images.
Again thanks for the help.

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