Expert advice wanted on best way to speed up HP Desktop for PS 'Denoise AI' function: I purchased an HP desktop a few years back and it has been great for all my post processing work...

Grahame Loc: Fiji

I purchased an HP desktop a few years back and it has been great for all my post processing work except the recent PS Denoise AI function which is painfully slow. Typically, a noisy 34meg Nef taken with the Z8 indicates anywhere between 12 to 22 minutes to complete.

What I'm not sure of is exactly what, if anything, I could upgrade on this PC to speed this specific PS AI function up. To date I have checked/downloaded all latest drivers and systems updates. The SSD drive is only 50% full. As getting parts is not possible where I reside I normally order from B&H but want to be confident what I select is going to improve things.

The Desktop spec ........................
HP Z2 Tower G4
Operating system
Windows 11 Pro 64-bit Version: 22621.2283
Microprocessor
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz
System memory
16 GB
Memory slot 1
16GB Samsung 2667MHz
System board
8455 KBC Version 07.D2.00
System BIOS
Q50 Ver. 01.08.07

GPU Spec ............................
Graphic device 1
NVIDIA Quadro P620
GPU Memory 2 GB GDDR5
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Bandwidth Up to 80 GB/s
NVIDIA CUDA® Cores 512
System Interface PCI Express 3.0 x16
Max Power Consumption 40 W
Thermal Solution Active
Form Factor 2.713” H x 5.7” L,
Single Slot, Low Profile
Display Connectors 4x Mini DisplayPort 1.4
Max Simultaneous
Displays
4 direct, 4x DisplayPort
1.4 Multi-Stream
Display Resolution 4x 4096x2160 @ 60 Hz
4x 5120x2880 @ 60Hz
Graphics APIs Shader Model 5.1,
OpenGL 4.53
DirectX 12.04
Vulkan 1.03
Compute APIs CUDA, DirectCompute,
OpenCL™

Any recommendations/advice will be very much appreciated.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Adobe support is your best bet here.

I find the graphic card a bit weak in memory. The rest is ok.

Capn_Dave

You didn't mention your internet connection. It might be because Adobe uses their computers for machine learning. The actual processing in this instance is your photo is sent to Adobe computers which are designed and trained to perform both demosaicing and denoising in a single step. Then after processing it is sent back to you.

Grahame Loc: Fiji

Rongnongno wrote:

Adobe support is your best bet here.

I find the graphic card a bit weak in memory. The rest is ok.

Yes it only has 2 meg memory. This is a screen capture just taken whilst running the process, may give a clue. It regularly hits 100%

(Download)

Grahame Loc: Fiji

Capn_Dave wrote:

You didn't mention your internet connection. It might be because Adobe uses their computers for machine learning. The actual processing in this instance is your photo is sent to Adobe computers which are designed and trained to perform both demosaicing and denoising in a single step. Then after processing it is sent back to you.

The internet is not involved. I should have been more specific, it is the 'Denoise AI' function within PS ACR.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

Good question that I personally can not answer, but my good friend Mr Google referred me to an advisor who said the DeNoise runs in the Graphics Card.
https://phototacopodcast.com/making-denoise-ai-faster/

Grahame, you have complicated my life. Up until now my deNoise was a simple step... now I see the settings choices are complex... YIKES
https://phototacopodcast.com/topaz-denoise-ai-vs-lightroom-and-photoshop/

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Yes, I know that PhotoShop is God to the majority... but I run low cost Paintshop Pro Ultimate and have upgraded to 2023 because of included AI and honing to AI. I run TOPAZ AI plugin [attached programs]. Yes I am an anti photoshop guy... must be an early childhood tramma with my Kodak 2A Brownie, but generally PS is a Swiss Army Knife that claims you can do any thing with it... Topaz in contrast has a focus on the task at hand. Paintshop Pro, likewise at a low one time purchase price has all the basic tools you will need and accommodates plugins well. Also they have sub programs that one can purchase.

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My NVIDIA [old] 1050 TI 4 gig DDR-5 runs deNoise fine. I am running 32 gig of 3200 RAM DDR-4 memory, but according to the readings of the references, the Graphic Card is where the image is reprocessed.

Hint on RAM memory... the auto setting in the BIOS is a nominal low speed... you should jack that up to your RAM speed.
https://platform.labdoo.org/content/configuring-bios
Rather than watching incitement news, watch BIOS settings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovosZbD9Asc

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Grahame wrote:

The internet is not involved. I should have been more specific, it is the 'Denoise AI' function within PS ACR.

You have 16GB RAM out of which 7.9 are shared with the video card. There lies the issue, you have only 9GB RAM left.

Two possible solutions:
Bump the memory to 32GB
Change or add a dedicated memory card.
Bumping the memory will solve some of the issue, but you will still experience a slow-down. (the least expensive solution).
Purchase a dedicated graphic card, 6GB would do the trick.

Still, I recommend you to speak with Adobe support.

Note: Jacking up a memory from its default setting is not a good idea unless this has been done before on the same rig - by someone else -. This is called 'overclocking'. That leads to overheating and sometime failure of the elements involved. Another issue is that it does not address the lack of RAM space. Not all computers support overclocking, and using this can void your warranty.

ronichas Loc: Long Island

I used Photo AI, which is much faster and does a great job using DeNoise.
I use this very often, as it does so much.

I think it is still on sale. I have a discount code, pm me.

bkwaters

Grahame wrote:

I purchased an HP desktop a few years back and it ... (show quote)

Replace your current video card with a RTX 4060 because it's very power efficient and is available in a low profile form. Several of the neuro filters process in the cloud so upload speed can be very important. I'm not sure if this pertains to the new denoise function. Fiber internet is symmetrical and has fast upload. Other technologies often have upload speeds that are 1/10th of the download spped or worse.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Rongnongno wrote:

Adobe support is your best bet here.

^^^^^ This is the expert advice you should be taking and following.

Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas

Rongnongno wrote:

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Note: Jacking up a memory from its default setting is not a good idea unless this has been done before on the same rig - by someone else -. This is called 'overclocking'. That leads to overheating and sometime failure of the elements involved. Another issue is that it does not address the lack of RAM space. Not all computers support overclocking, and using this can void your warranty.

Sorry - adding more memory is not overclocking… Overclocking is the action of increasing a component's clock rate, running it at a higher speed than it was designed to run. This is usually applies to the CPU or GPU, but other components can also be overclocked.

Increasing a component's clock rate causes it to perform more operations per second, but it also produces additional heat. Overclocking can help squeeze more performance out of your components, but they'll often need additional cooling and care.

bkwaters

CHG_CANON wrote:

^^^^^ This is the expert advice you should be taking and following.

Adobe should be able to correctly pinpoint the bottleneck, but they won't offer specific hardware advice. I have never used Adobe support, but my success with other support services with the exception of Acronis has been abysmal.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

bkwaters wrote:

Adobe should be able to correctly pinpoint the bottleneck, but they won't offer specific hardware advice. I have never used Adobe support, but my success with other support services with the exception of Acronis has been abysmal.

Our OP is paying from this technical support. A technical support chat is time effective to find out whether they can help. Much more time effective than asking the UHH community about new Adobe technology, just use the internet reference in an earlier reply as a prime example of how much more knowledgeable Adobe personnel will be about Adobe software.

Canisdirus

The problem is fairly obvious...

He has almost no shared memory to do the tasks...why it takes so long.

The CPU has plenty of processing power.

So there are three good options...

Contact Adobe and see if the program will utilize his CPU and NOT his GPU (doubtful...never heard of it anyways).
Buy a dedicated larger/faster GPU unit that is compatible with his M/B.
Buy something like Topaz DeNoise...which does allow you the choice of either CPU or GPU for the processing...and use the chip.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

bkwaters has the correct answer - change the graphics card. I would suggest a card with at least 8GB such as the NVidia 4060 with 8GB as suggested. Also pay attention to the power requirements of the card (115 W max) and the external power connector required. If your power supply is marginal, you may need to upgrade it. Also, the 4060, like most modern high performance graphics cards, had an external DC power connector. If your power supply doesn’t provide the proper matching connector, again you may need to upgrade the power supply. Your power supply should be 550 watts minimum. And while you’re at it, another 16GB of DRAM wouldn’t hurt. Hopefully you have open slots so you can add 2 8GB DIMMS (of the same configuration and speed as the existing memory). Those 2 upgrades will make a BIG difference in the time required to run modern AI based processing aps.

BTW, thanks for providing complete specs on your system and the readout from performance monitor - makes it easy to diagnose the issue.