Looking for Nikon suggestions (Page 3): Yes but the mirrorless Camera that the op suggested is better than the D850 and not that much more money...

btbg

larryepage wrote:

All true. But also about six times the cost of the options the OP indicates that he is considering. And about four times the cost of a nice used D850.

Yes but the mirrorless Camera that the op suggested is better than the D850 and not that much more money

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

btbg wrote:

Yes but the mirrorless Camera that the op suggested is better than the D850 and not that much more money

I have to disagree with that statement. I have a D850 and looked pretty hard at the Z7ii and Z6ii. While they have some good features, neither of them measures up to a D850. For most things, even the Z8 is only an incremental improvement over a D850 in the hands of a competent photographer. Foe some cases, the D850 is still better if one knows how to use it. I also looked very hard at the Z8 with strong purchase intentions. For now, those intentions are on hold. The incentive is just too small. The Z8 would not enable me to do anything that I cannot currently do.

btbg

larryepage wrote:

I have to disagree with that statement. I have a ... (show quote)

You are forgetting what he wants to use the camera for. The D850 is not a sports camera.

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

btbg wrote:

I'm glad that you are happy with your cameras. Lik... (show quote)

Each to his own! I'm not trying to sell anyone a camera.
As I said, I'm NOT interested in mirrorless. And don't do sports. But, again, I shoot birds in flight and have no need for 20 plus fps. And, frankly, I don't see the need for that at a baseball game. Someone would have to prove it to me.
And I have beautiful photos of Kingfishers in flight. There isn't and never has been a human in the world who can move faster than a Kingfisher in flight!

btbg

Retired CPO wrote:

Each to his own! I'm not trying to sell anyone a camera.
As I said, I'm NOT interested in mirrorless. And don't do sports. But, again, I shoot birds in flight and have no need for 20 plus fps. And, frankly, I don't see the need for that at a baseball game. Someone would have to prove it to me.
And I have beautiful photos of Kingfishers in flight. There isn't and never has been a human in the world who can move faster than a Kingfisher in flight!

It isn't so much about the frame rate as the larger buffer that ces with the increased frame rate.

Exple let's say we are shooting a football ge and a receiver makes a leaping catch then breaks a tackle and scores. Then the linemen run down the field celebrating.

The D850 will take good shots but then it will buffer and you won't get the entire play. The D5 would take 250 before it buffered. Tje Z9 I have yet to make buffer and the D850 will buffer after about 25 photos.

Not knocking the camera. I'm just telling you it's not a sports Camera and sports is specifically what the op asked about.

sv3noKin51E

Rich43224 wrote:

Years ago I spent my time with an F5 shooting trac... (show quote)

Hello Rich:
I sold the last of my film gear several years ago. My D3S is still very capable as is my D700 and D4. I want an D850 and battery pack, with your glass you'll get good results from any of the D800 bodies. Sports shooters still love the D4. I''ll sell the other bodies but keep my D4.

A D850 with low shutter counts sometimes shows up on Roberts but are sold quickly. If possible, rent one for a weekend and then you'll know if it's right for you. A friend snagged a used Z6II last year but uses his D5 and D850 more. On a weekend visit I used his 850 and knew I wanted one. D800/810 bodies on Roberts, with reasonably low shutter counts is what I'm hoping for. Hope this is helpful, Cheers.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

btbg wrote:

You are forgetting what he wants to use the camera for. The D850 is not a sports camera.

Ok. So get a D500 instead if that's the controlling factor. It carries the "sport camera" label, but will do 95% of the other stuff that a D850 will do. And it doesn't even really know that it's a crop frame camera. Nice used ones well under $1000, and I've seen a couple of new ones still in the boxes at camera stores recently. Didn't ask what kind of deal or bundle might be available.

Rich43224

Thanks for the many suggestions and comments. Plan for now is to rent a few bodies over the coming months, both dslr and mirrorless. Shoot some volleyball and basketball, and see where my comfort level is, and results.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

larryepage wrote:

Ok. So get a D500 instead if that's the controlling factor. It carries the "sport camera" label, but will do 95% of the other stuff that a D850 will do. And it doesn't even really know that it's a crop frame camera. Nice used ones well under $1000, and I've seen a couple of new ones still in the boxes at camera stores recently. Didn't ask what kind of deal or bundle might be available.

The D500 is an excellent camera, but not the best choice for low light/high ISO.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

TriX wrote:

The D500 is an excellent camera, but not the best choice for low light/high ISO.

It depends. I use mine in gymnasiums all the time to photograph high school robotics matches. It does just fine, sometimes without all the lights turned on. And since it has Flicker Reduction, I never have to worry about oartially illuminated frames.

btbg

larryepage wrote:

It depends. I use mine in gymnasiums all the time to photograph high school robotics matches. It does just fine, sometimes without all the lights turned on. And since it has Flicker Reduction, I never have to worry about oartially illuminated frames.

It's good to 8000 iso but not above that. The D5 is good to 10000 isolated the Z9 is good to 12800 isolated. So if the sports in question are in too dark a gym the D500 is not the answer.

Most high school gyms have enough light for a D500 but not all of them.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

btbg wrote:

It's good to 8000 iso but not above that. The D5 is good to 10000 isolated the Z9 is good to 12800 isolated. So if the sports in question are in too dark a gym the D500 is not the answer.

Most high school gyms have enough light for a D500 but not all of them.

Interesting comparison. The difference in ISO 8,000 and 12,800 is about 2/3 stop. It sounds a whole lot bigger than it really is. 8,000-10,000 is 1/3 stop. Not something I'd choose a camera over by itself.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

larryepage wrote:

It depends. I use mine in gymnasiums all the time to photograph high school robotics matches. It does just fine, sometimes without all the lights turned on. And since it has Flicker Reduction, I never have to worry about oartially illuminated frames.

Just pointing out that if low light/high ISO is a priority, a FF camera has an advantage vs crop - usually ~1 stop for equivalent generation technology, and you can trade that stop for lower noise, or higher SS, both of which can make an obvious difference in low light indoor sports.

btbg

larryepage wrote:

Interesting comparison. The difference in ISO 8,000 and 12,800 is about 2/3 stop. It sounds a whole lot bigger than it really is. 8,000-10,000 is 1/3 stop. Not something I'd choose a camera over by itself.

It would be if the gym you shoot in most often is f2.8 1000 of a second at 12800 iso, which is what I have shot in for the last 5 years. They finally replaced the lights this year so we will see what it is now. If you underexposed the D500 it shows lots of noise when you try to correct in post processing so that 2/3 of a stop can be huge.

That's why all my posts have been sports related since that's what the op asked about.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

The D5 is 1-1/2 stops better (9.68 vs 11.17) in low light high ISO performance than a D500 (https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm) and you won’t have any trouble seeing that. I’ve been shooting HS wrestling for years in some really dark gyms, and that’s what caused me to move to FF, and it was a very substantial difference.