FrumCA

We've known for years that climate change data is/has been manipulated to support various narratives. Kudos to this guy for admitting it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12482921/climate-scientist-patrick-brown-wildfires-started-people.html

Top scientist Patrick Brown says he deliberately OMITTED key fact in climate change piece he's just had published in prestigious journal to ensure woke editors ran it - that 80% of wildfires are started by humans.

Patrick T. Brown, a lecturer at Johns Hopkins University, claimed the world's leading academic journals reject papers which don't 'support certain narratives'.

He also took aim at the media for focusing 'intently on climate change as the root cause' of wildfires, including the recent devastating fires in Hawaii.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Be that as it may the fact is that wild fires are tremendously more damaging “ regardless “ of how they started.
I don’t know but would wager the 80% number has always been close to accurate but the difference is the climate make current fire tremendously more devastating than previously

BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD

Some facts, observations, and thoughts about climate change

Facts:
The temperature of the earth has been increasing since the last ice age and will no doubt continue doing so – until the next ice age.
Humans may have some effect on increasing temperature, but very little compared to the sun and volcanos – look at Tonga.
Eliminating CO2 from the atmosphere will cause the end of life on the planet as CO2 is the food of all greenery – no greenery, no mammalian life!

Observation:
There is a lot of money, effort and political will put into a useless fight to stop the climate from changing, all of which is misdirected as the climate will change no matter what we do - all for the sake of power and money.

Little or no effort is being directed to what really matters and that is what is needed for, at least human life, to survive for the foreseeable future and that is modifying our living environment in case temperatures approach an unlivable state.
This calls for energy beyond which solar and wind can provide.
Saw an article recently where an entrepreneur is going to attempt to tap the earth’s core heat to obtain the energy needed for electricity.
Saw an article stating that over 1600 climate scientists signed a letter (don't know the addressee) that the climate is not changing as being touted.

Thoughts:
Green energy is woefully inadequate for human needs.
We need fossil fuel, and we need a grid adequate to distribute its energy.
Nuclear energy will do the job, BUT how do we deal with the waste created – Nevada (I believe) will run out of space.
The grid must be secure from both human and natural threats.

“Green” electricity may be appropriate for local and some moderately distant transportation, but it will not serve air travel, sea travel, product distribution (trucks) and weapons of war – how will a tank during battel or, an aircraft carrier be recharged?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Really
1
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/pepsico-praises-tesla-semis-performance-on-long-haul-regional-loads

2.

https://www.offshore-energy.biz/cosco-shippings-electric-containership-hits-the-water/


Note:

While america argued about it ) mostly for no reason other than partisan politics) the Chinese are moving forward . Jobs. Jobs jobs
3.

https://globetrender.com/2022/10/27/heart-aerospace-electric-hybrid-planes-air-canada/

And that’s with existing battery technology which is assuring going to progress and improve

So I hope it’s an American company. That solved it no the Chinese

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/us-armys-electric-tanks-on-hold-as-battery-technology-develops

Wake up America !

BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD

1. Yeah, but I fail to believe that there will be enough chargers able to handle all that need to be charged at one time - and the space for the volume of trucks needing (as of now) 8-9 hours to charge.
2. A container ship is a heck of a LOT different than a war ship as is a war airplane is different from a non-war airplane.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Once again you. Are basing an opinion about the future on current technology. It is likely we heard the same thing for horse versus gas power vehicles a century ago .

In the meantime while other countries move forward we are stagnant. And letting the jobs and technology develop over seas.

All for political reasons from what I see.

BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD

As I said:
...facts
...Observations
...thoughts

Of course I presented opinion, that should have been obvious, and not a "Once again..."

"All for political reasons..." - in my opinion, we, in different words, agree - power and money!

FrumCA

We have no disagreement with your 'all for political reasons' opinion. It was/is for political reasons that we are in the EV vs non-EV discussions/opinions now.

btbg

Fires are not becoming more intense because of climate change. They are becoming more intense because for years we suppressed all fires, and then around 1990 we stopped thinning forests that we had replanted. Since then those forests have matured, but because they were not thinned they are more dense than they should have been and are thus more susceptible to disease, insect damage and low water years.

Then we have compounded the problem by making the decision to no longer fight fires in wilderness areas, instead waiting until they leave the wilderness area and are already large blazes. Add in electric companies who have chosen to not maintain their overhead lines, allowing branches near the lines so that high winds cause sparks, starting fires, and you have a recipe for disaster. It is man caused, but not climate change caused.

Try reading the book Granite Mountain: The Firsthand Account of a Tragic Wildfire, Its Lone Survivor, and the Firefighters Who Made the Ultimate Sacrifice along with the official report about the fire and the causes of the deaths of 19 hotshot firefighters and you will see that the cause is mismanagement, not climate change. Same thing with the recent fires on Maui. They withheld water from the firefighters for hours, never blew their warning sirens, blockaded people so that they could not leave the burning areas, and told parents that their children had been evacuated when they had not been. End result is deaths, officially over 100, but with still more than 300 people missing that are presumed killed in the fire. None of them needed to die, and had the warnings about the dangers of fire in the area of Lahiana and taken precautionary steps most of the buildings could also have been saved. It is all mismanagement.

FrumCA

Exactly right!! Forest mismanagement is the primary reason so many CA fires are as devastating as they are.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

Trump was right, you should all be out there vacuuming the forest floor.

mikee

I suspect most wildfires are caused by cigarettes.

btbg

He was wrong about what he said but he was conceptually right. Of they selectively burned portions of the forest floor I'm the early spring and thinned the forests they wouldn't have all the damaging wildfires.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

So that accounts for fires in Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Algeria, Tunisia, and Canada,.????
No hardly .