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Sep 2, 2023 14:34:42   #
gwilliams6
 
Mac wrote:
There is no such thing as AI photography. There is AI and there is photography.



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Sep 2, 2023 14:41:21   #
gwilliams6
 
User ID wrote:
Sooner or later you will discover otherwise ... sadly for you, it seems like later, much later.


No userID he is right, there is AI "art" and/or AI illustrations, but there is no AI photography. Photography is defined pho·​tog·​ra·​phy fə-ˈtä-grə-fē https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/photography#:~:text=%3A%20the%20art%20or%20process%20of,film%20or%20an%20optical%20sensor)

: the art or process of producing images by the action of radiant energy and especially light on a sensitive surface (such as film or an optical sensor)

Photography is not computer software-generated artificial artifacts.

Cheers and best to you.

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Sep 2, 2023 15:06:19   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
User ID wrote:
You left out fingerpainting. Perhaps a subconscious bias ?!?!?

Nope.
That, plus any others, are contained in the ellipsis.

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Sep 2, 2023 15:08:27   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
User ID wrote:
Delderby is throwing stones while living in a glass house. Hes really very jealous, as well he ought to be, of a no-talent, dumbassed, unimaginative, mindless machine.

(Need any more rope? )

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Sep 2, 2023 18:14:40   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
Bill Hancock wrote:
I have been dabbling in AI photography for a little while now and it has made me wonder is landscape photography might be on the way out, by a paid photographer that is. I am curious to know what others think on the subject. I have displayed an AI photo for you guys to look at. I have not tried to do anything spectacular. I am just testing the waters, so to speak, to see what AI can do. What do you folks think?


At first glance the picture looks OK, but looking at with a discerning eye, it leaves me unimpressed. It just does not look real to me. The upper pond should have some ripples, but it looks almost smooth as glass. The birds do not look as though they are in a natural environment for them (and I don't know if a heron would hunt in such a pond, I thought they were more still water hunters).

As to your real question, I enjoy landscape photography and will continue to take photos of what I feel are good, intriguing, interesting (to me) photographs. I feel AI is making the news currently as it has been recently brought to the public's attention as an alternative to other art forms. Is it art? Good question and one for which I will not try to answer. Does it make photographs? Not in my mind. Time will tell if it will supplant other methods of creating scenes or pictures. Too many personal thoughts and feelings about it to make any decision or predictions at this time.

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Sep 2, 2023 20:47:36   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
srt101fan wrote:
YES, ethics and character should be (and are) big things with most people.

I’m talking about the way you belittle much of the UHH community with your sweeping generalizations.


Again, my deepest apologies. I only speak or post about topics with which I am familiar and confident about giving an answer. As for belittling anyone, that is never my intent. But I do not have tolerance for hard-headed folks or for folks who give instruction about a camera or other equipment which they have clearly never seen.

Also...I am incredibly fortunate to have a close working relationship and friendship with five art teachers, three of whom are also working artists. They have shared an incredible wealth of knowledge about art in general and photography over the pastsix or seven years. While I could certainly choise to keep that information to myself, it is much more fun and rewarding tk share bits and pieces of it here. If that is offensive, it is certainly an easy choice to just keep it all to myself.

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Sep 2, 2023 22:12:48   #
srt101fan
 
larryepage wrote:
Again, my deepest apologies. I only speak or post about topics with which I am familiar and confident about giving an answer. As for belittling anyone, that is never my intent. But I do not have tolerance for hard-headed folks or for folks who give instruction about a camera or other equipment which they have clearly never seen.

Also...I am incredibly fortunate to have a close working relationship and friendship with five art teachers, three of whom are also working artists. They have shared an incredible wealth of knowledge about art in general and photography over the pastsix or seven years. While I could certainly choise to keep that information to myself, it is much more fun and rewarding tk share bits and pieces of it here. If that is offensive, it is certainly an easy choice to just keep it all to myself.
Again, my deepest apologies. I only speak or post ... (show quote)


No need for apologies, Larry. I’m most definitely not offended. I may have overreacted to the way you expressed some of your ideas. Examples:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-783658-5.html#14109449
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-783370-19.html#14108064
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-782531-2.html#14085419
I should have kept my mouth shut. Sorry I started this….

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Sep 2, 2023 22:28:33   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
rehess wrote:
The weight lifter thing and AI are completely different issues. Please go to the attic if you want to talk about the weight lifter thing.


Chill out! I’ll make it very neutral so that no one gets offended unless they actually want to be offended.

I’ve been told that if necessary, the Boeing 777 can actually land itself. So after a smooth auto pilot landing, do you go tell the pilot what a great job he did flipping the autopilot switch? I’ve never flown a plane, but even I can flip a switch. That doesn’t make me a pilot though. And if the pilot claims he landed it but didn’t, then he’s a liar. Same thing as computer generated images. Anyone can flip a switch.

As for the original question, I figure if the image is good enough and cheap enough, then businesses will use it.

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Sep 3, 2023 09:37:55   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Bill Hancock wrote:
Thanks for the replies, but my real question is, will the companies that hire photographers start taking the cheaper way out and start generating AI photos and stop using paid photographers? What are your thoughts?


Of course they will... just as movie moguls will license an actors image etc... to use in future AI influenced movies; follow the money.

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Sep 3, 2023 13:08:39   #
Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
 
The last four pages of this posting are so far from the original question "Will AI replace professional photographers from the landscape market". The answer is No. What's been going on in these last pages can be described as: ultracrepidarian, pontificating on a fart or trying to pick fly sh#t out of pepper. Time to let go.

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Sep 3, 2023 13:24:13   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Hmmm...interesting conclusion. Also interesting that the various responses here appear to all be from photographers. Might be interesting to poll a few of the folks who actually hire and pay the photographers to see what their plans might be.

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Sep 3, 2023 14:55:22   #
goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
Bill Hancock wrote:
I have been dabbling in AI photography for a little while now and it has made me wonder is landscape photography might be on the way out, by a paid photographer that is. I am curious to know what others think on the subject. I have displayed an AI photo for you guys to look at. I have not tried to do anything spectacular. I am just testing the waters, so to speak, to see what AI can do. What do you folks think?


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Bill

In my humble opinion, in the long run, I believe that "Artificial intelligence" photographs and/or other forms of Art will be regulated and must be declared.... as such... Similarly to what we have in the arena of what is known as "fault advertising" today in the Marketplace....

Already, earlier this year. There is case history where artificial intelligence created art work was refused by the U.S. Office of Copyright. Personally, I believe that that is only the beginning of regulation in this area.

There will always be a market for seemingly good..
. But cheap art, and that won't never change. But there are also other individuals who are willing to pay the high dollar for the genuine product and that won't ever change.

Markets in both areas will continue. But ultimately, truth in advertising and marketing will be the regulation.

IMHO

Cheers
Goldstar46
George Veazey
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Sep 3, 2023 14:57:18   #
goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
Bill Hancock wrote:
Thanks for the replies, but my real question is, will the companies that hire photographers start taking the cheaper way out and start generating AI photos and stop using paid photographers? What are your thoughts?


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Yes... some companies will always take the cheapest way out

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Sep 3, 2023 15:01:00   #
goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
[quote=Bill Hancock]I have been dabbling in AI photography for a little while now and it has made me wonder is landscape photography might be on the way out, by a paid photographer that is. I am curious to know what others think on the

Bill Hancock wrote:
I have been dabbling in AI photography for a little while now and it has made me wonder is landscape photography might be on the way out, by a paid photographer that is. I am curious to know what others think on the subject. I have displayed an AI photo for you guys to look at. I have not tried to do anything spectacular. I am just testing the waters, so to speak, to see what AI can do. What do you folks think?


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Bill

In my humble opinion, in the long run, I believe that "Artificial intelligence" photographs and/or other forms of Art will be regulated and must be declared.... as such... Similarly to what we have in the arena of what is known as "fault advertising" today in the Marketplace....

Already, earlier this year. There is case history where artificial intelligence created art work was refused by the U.S. Office of Copyright. Personally, I believe that that is only the beginning of regulation in this area.

There will always be a market for seemingly good -- But cheap art, and that won't never change.

But there are also other individuals who are willing to pay the high dollar for the genuine product and that won't ever change... also

Markets in both areas will continue. But ultimately, truth in advertising and marketing will be the regulation.

IMHO

Cheers
Goldstar46
George Veazey
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Sep 3, 2023 15:03:00   #
bobfitz Loc: Kendall-Miami, Florida
 
The bigger question is where is humanity going with AI?

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