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Aug 20, 2023 23:16:30   #
HOHIMER
 
Scruples wrote:
I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear. The hospital beds are too rigid and too heavy to be carried down the stairs. They cannot be turned around the corners 22 floors times 2 for each flight of stairs. To facilitate carrying patients down the stairs teams of six would climb the stair. In each hospital room there are usually two patients. An acrylic sheet would be slid under the patient. The patient would be wrapped up and cloth belts would secure the patient inside. Five people would carry the patient down the stair. As one person got tired, the free person would take their place. Why would we do that? Why not use the elevators? In the basement elevator have weight wells. As the elevator ascends to the top floor weights descend and are kept in a hole or well. As the water surged into the basement it would flood the well rendering the elevator useless. When water filled the well the weights could not be lifted out.

Furthermore, much of the extremely heavy equipment such as MRIs X-ray machines, CT scanners are in the basement. Repairing these is impossible because a part or piece cannot be switched out and replaced.

At each stairway entrance we had rest stations and water bottles to be given out.

By the way, there was no power so no pumps were working. The toilets didn’t work. The problem was solved by pouring the water from the bottles of the cooler into the toilet.

As an employee of Bellevue Hospital , I have been there for 21 years. I have friends who have been there 40 years. Don’t get me wrong. I have seen and witnessed much.

Please accept my apology for not clarifying a few things. I don’t want to out-do anyone else here on UHH. We all have our talents.
I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear. The hospital beds ar... (show quote)


Thank you for the clarifications. Is it true the elevator weights enter the wells only when the elevator is operated at the top floor?

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Aug 20, 2023 23:19:40   #
pendennis
 
PAR4DCR wrote:
There were people who had a hurricane party in an apartment complex on the beach in Mississippi for Camille. As far as I know they were never found!

Don


I was in a public affairs unit when Camille came along. As part of our duties, we were sent to Gulfport, MS, at the Seabee base, in early February 1970, to do some drill shows and band performances for the local residents. We toured the entire coast, from the Mississippi, all the way to Pensacola. I was in absolute awe of Camille. There were tug boats that landed north of U.S. 90, and the wreckage went on for miles. At Pascagoula, there were ships from the Gulf which had breached their moorings and ended up in shipyards, etc.

Gulfport was also a basic training facility for newly minted Seabees. Right after Camille went through, they were organized into search parties, and spent more than three months moving inland, finding bodies. When we were there in February 1970, there were still bodies being located several miles inland.

New Orleans was somewhat spared, and Mardi Gras went on as scheduled. By the partying going on, you couldn't tell anything had ever happened.

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Aug 21, 2023 05:50:29   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Elevators are basically simple devices that operate by pulleys. As the elevator rises a set of pulleys bring the weights down the side of the shaft. They rest in the weight well which is a huge square that holds the cab below the ground floor when the weights are at the top floor.

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Aug 21, 2023 08:16:14   #
HOHIMER
 
Scruples wrote:
Elevators are basically simple devices that operate by pulleys. As the elevator rises a set of pulleys bring the weights down the side of the shaft. They rest in the weight well which is a huge square that holds the cab below the ground floor when the weights are at the top floor.

Beating a dead horse: Where are the counterweights when the cab is at the top floor?

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Aug 21, 2023 08:56:19   #
pendennis
 
HOHIMER wrote:
Beating a dead horse: Where are the counterweights when the cab is at the top floor?


Counterweights are along the walls at the bottom of the shaft. You should see the size of the electric motors that power those pulleys.

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Aug 21, 2023 15:38:38   #
HOHIMER
 
pendennis wrote:
Counterweights are along the walls at the bottom of the shaft. You should see the size of the electric motors that power those pulleys.


How big in terms of HP? Why so big?

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Aug 21, 2023 19:54:15   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
I’m not very savvy about elevators. With all the equipment and electric panels, the water from the East River did a lot of damage to The Manhattan VA Hospital, New York University Langone Hospital and Bellevue. There have been major renovations including Floodgates built and installed.
In the basement there are plaques on the wall showing the water level.
But the disaster proves that we are resilient and determined. It shows all the new ones what us old farts are capable of. If they don’t want to learn from us cranky old coots, they better learn to swim. We will find them all at the bottom of the drink!

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Aug 21, 2023 20:00:48   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
HOHIMER wrote:
Beating a dead horse: Where are the counterweights when the cab is at the top floor?


You aren’t beating a dead horse. Elevators are simple devices. They also have advanced safeties. The motors are huge, almost as big as a bus. The pulleys are so large that you could find them on a cruise ship. The cables are not thin strings of metal. They run about five to 8 inches thick if not more. Please don’t think of me as an expert on elevators.

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Aug 21, 2023 22:25:27   #
pendennis
 
HOHIMER wrote:
How big in terms of HP? Why so big?


The HP output varies widely. It depends on the number of floors on the run, the amount of cable(s), counterweights, etc. Elevators have a fail-safe, in that the default position of the brakes is the lock position. There's also a finite vertical distance for an elevator. I'm sure there are specific formulae for calculating the load, distance, etc.

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Aug 21, 2023 23:01:50   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
pendennis wrote:
The HP output varies widely. It depends on the number of floors on the run, the amount of cable(s), counterweights, etc. Elevators have a fail-safe, in that the default position of the brakes is the lock position. There's also a finite vertical distance for an elevator. I'm sure there are specific formulae for calculating the load, distance, etc.


Thank you for clarifying.

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Aug 22, 2023 09:48:12   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
It does bring up the question, though. Just don't take the elevators up to the top floor(s), causing he weights to go into the basement.

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