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Aug 16, 2023 09:56:51   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Notice that everyone has a system that works for them?
Not right or wrong, maybe more or less efficient though, but not right or wrong - it works for them.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:08:36   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I've never seen the need for shooting in both formats. If I need a picture quickly, the "raw" raw file will work just fine. Otherwise, I like the flexibility of raw files.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:08:43   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
I got in the habit of shooting both since some of my photos were just snapshots that I didn’t intend to do any PP on.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:10:40   #
photoman43
 
I rarely shoot both RAW and Jpeg. Here are two situations when I do shoot both. 1. Trips like family vacations where I can send out unedited jpegs almost immediately after taking the pictures. I use the RAW for editing and better Jpegs, as needed. 2. Sometimes workshops and some vacation trips have show and tell events almost immeditely after the event or shoot has ended. Unedited Jpegs are perfect for such occasions.

I use the second card slot in my cameras to record the Jpegs.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:20:24   #
Canisdirus
 
Perhaps UHH needs to open up a beginners section...

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Aug 16, 2023 10:25:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Perhaps UHH needs to open up a beginners section...

What's wrong with "one place".
Then, would we need intermediate, advanced, and professional sections?

Humans like to categorize a lot, don't they.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:31:26   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Architect1776 wrote:
For those with 2 card slots in their cameras what is the purpose of having one doing JPEG?
I have found that if I want a backup I want it in raw as well.
If I need to immediately send a photo out I just send it through to my phone and share it.
Otherwise if I am going to download it to my computer there is no rush and can take the time to do whatever PP I desire.
So what value is JPEG on the second card?


Very simply......, the clients want the jpg. file SOOC at the end of our contracted time. We sometimes download it to their computer so they can start using them for social media.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:37:08   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
I shoot both raw and jpeg and do very little pp. I found when I was a Designated station trainer (DST) using jpegs was much easier to insert in a slide show or into handouts than raw files. Jpegs were easier to resize. My canon D50 is a one card slot camera and I currently use either a 32gb or 64gb card and create multiple files on the card when shooting multiple days or locations. If I use my phone camera it is recommended to make a duplicate of the original for pp.

What it comes down to is what works the best for each individual photographer.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:39:03   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:
Notice that everyone has a system that works for them?
Not right or wrong, maybe more or less efficient though, but not right or wrong - it works for them.




There are countless use cases for any combination of dual card slot storage.

If you treat your cards right —

> Format only in the camera where they will be used

> Protect from moisture, dust, static, and magnetic fields in a waterproof, static resistant case

> Turn off the camera before removing or inserting cards

> Buy high quality cards from reputable manufacturers

> Use cards on the camera manufacturer's approved list (especially for high bit rate video recording)

— then independent card slot assignments have low risk of failure.

OTOH, if you treat your cards like your car keys (i.e.; keep cards in pockets with keys and chains, spill drinks on them, format them in devices other than the exact camera that will use them, use the cheapest cards you can find, use cards too slow for the files you're making, hold them to the side of a steel file cabinet with a stud finder, touch them in dry weather after sliding across a car seat in wool pants...), you're in for a Very Bad Day.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:41:08   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Of what value is the SOC JPEG though?
Do you bother PP JPEG or only raw?
Then to save that raw you then have a 3rd folder of JPEG.
So again why even bother with a SOC JPEG taking up space?


The value of SOC JPEG is to see if you got what you intended, framed right, no lampposts sticking out of heads, etc. and to have something to process.
I process JPGs, I have yet to see a RAW that I got more out of than JPG processed.*
I don't shoot RAW at all, and use my 2nd card as where the overflow will go since I only re-format when full.
So why have RAW take up much more space than JPG if it doesn't give me anything useful?

*I have posted RAW files that UHH members were also unable to get more detail out of than I got processing JPG.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:43:26   #
gwilliams6
 
I debated about commenting on this thread as it seems that the OP is hell-bent on bashing any point of view that doesn't agree with his premise. LOL

But I will comment. First there is NO SINGLE right or wrong method or reason for how folks shoot and save their image files. Use the method and process that works for you, and resist ANYONE, including the OP, telling you that what you do is useless or incorrect, it isn't, just a fact.

For me personally and professionally, I shoot raw and jpeg simultaneously, raw to one memory card, jpeg to my other memory card. All of my current camera bodies have dual card slots, and both slots can use either UHS-II SD cards or CF-Express Type A cards.

I shoot the jpegs so my clients, corporate or personal, can quickly review and select images from that card with the jpegs, often in real time, right on the site of the shoot, and then their PR folks can quickly upload them to their media outlets and also to their corporate sites and clients from their own computers on site. Then later I will take the raw files and do all my best processing for the final images and/or prints I deliver as my best final product.

This system works for me . For the hundreds or even thousands of images I might shoot at an all-day corporate event or wedding, using a phone to transfer images while I still have to work, is just not practical or prudent. No phones have the capacity, computing power and speed of the best laptops to handle, edit and/or process and transfer all those high megapixel images timely. Just the reality.

And yes it does matter for redundancy also. In a pinch if I have a failure of either memory card ( and cards do fail. if you shoot long enough it will likely happen to you. It has happened to me), I can still use the files from the remaining card and the quality is good enough to save the shoot. I never shoot any paid work without that redundancy for stills or video.

Again use what file saving and workflow works for you, and you dont need to justify it to anyone else, even this OP.

Cheers and best to you all.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:45:40   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Those who find something not useful don't need it.
Those that do, do.
Amazing how that works out.

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Aug 16, 2023 10:47:00   #
ELNikkor
 
Architect1776 wrote:
For those with 2 card slots in their cameras what is the purpose of having one doing JPEG?
I have found that if I want a backup I want it in raw as well.
If I need to immediately send a photo out I just send it through to my phone and share it.
Otherwise if I am going to download it to my computer there is no rush and can take the time to do whatever PP I desire.
So what value is JPEG on the second card?


In your case, apparently none. I only use my phone for talk & text, so the second slot on my D750 is for RAW. The majority of my shooting is to document daily life, not for clients, not for printing, not for wall-hangers. SOOC jpegs of around 4mb are totally satisfactory for 90% of my photos. When I encounter scenes of potential marketable value, I quickly set the camera to "RAW + jpeg", later on, putting the RAW in a RAW folder for that month. In the 6 years I've had my D750, maybe there's been 1 jpeg image I may have wished to be a RAW, but even that was of no great consequence. Meanwhile, I've saved 6x the storage space, the hassles of having to "Resize" reduction hundreds of RAW for sharing out, and trying to bring out jpeg-type enhancements from 10s of thousands of RAW images. (When my son showed me how to modify a RAW image with Lightroom, I spent 40 minutes on it, and it output a jpeg image that looked almost identical to my paired, SOOC jpeg.)

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Aug 16, 2023 10:47:47   #
gwilliams6
 
Longshadow wrote:
Those who find something not useful don't need it.
Those that do, do.
Amazing how that works out.



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Aug 16, 2023 10:54:27   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
rehess wrote:
I am an amateur and use the JPEG; that is the ‘need’ for it. I save the “raw” version only if I goofed and need to rescue the shot. In general, I am perfectly satisfied with what the Pentax processor gives me.

My Pentax KP has one slot, which is plenty for me.



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