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What do you get for $13000 versus about $2000?
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Aug 9, 2023 08:43:22   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
larryepage wrote:
I think a good way to look for the answer to your question is that if you don't or can't see and understand the difference between the two options, then there is no reason for you to spend the extra money, at least right now. As you learn more, or as your needs change, or as your wants change, then your motivation might change.


Very WELL stated !

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Aug 9, 2023 09:07:07   #
Ruthlessrider
 
Very nice set.

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Aug 9, 2023 10:55:31   #
Barn Owl
 
MrPhotog, Thanks for your essay. Much appreciated. I have been a Canon shooter for years and have sales in pro images over the years. I now have the R6 and the less expensive RF 100-400. I would not advise the use of a 1.4x with that lens. Most of my lenses are EF lenses and with the R6, I have to use the adapter for them on the R6. Probably just my age but the process of having to "play musical chairs" with the lenses and the adapter is a frustration. Wind and rain can add to the problem. Financially and not being a pro, the 200-600 Sony might well be the direction I should go. Wish Canon had released a 200-600 lens that could compete with Sony in quality and price. Of course, any major change in a camera system is going to incur major $$$$; plus, a major learning curve for a new system. For us mere humans, the advice a 600mm f/4 for specific shoots is excellent.

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Aug 9, 2023 10:59:45   #
Paladin48 Loc: Orlando
 
Wallen wrote:
Ohh, your talking about lenses.
I was about to say 13,000 can get one a new wife life


Yeah but you would have to blow "it" up everyday!!!

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Aug 9, 2023 11:19:43   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Dragonophile wrote:
I appreciate all the advice but remember this was a curiosity question. I have not/am not really considering buying a 600mm prime. I am an amateur hobbyist with no photographic income to justify any such purchase. I was simply wondering what those people with deep pockets and/or professional needs were getting for their money over and above what my Fujifilm 150-600mm was giving me. I hear bokeh, aperture for low light and a small increment of detail/sharpness that might easily not be apparent to my 75 yr old eyes. And of course, the additional substantial weight of the lens (and comcomitant lightening weight of my wallet!)

Again, thanks to all.
I appreciate all the advice but remember this was ... (show quote)


I am only one year younger than you. And when I decided to buy digital mirrorless, I looked at what I expected the future would be. And I went 4/3rds because I was getting older and that system was smaller, lighter, and less costly than Canon and Nikon (and now Sony) while giving me the quality and ability to print 20" X 24" (now 30" X 40"). And I was not going to be shooting professionally. I was able to get my prime "600mm" angle of view at $2350 (now up to $2900). And it is almost unbelievable sharp with a system total of 7 stops of image stabilization. And that being said, I find nothing wrong with one purchasing a full frame or APS-C camera and lenses. Different strokes for different folks. I looked seriously myself at going with Canon before going 4/3rds. Just like you, I wonder what was the actual difference and was it really needed if I did not shoot professionally. I actually have a system now that can actually shoot professionally. There are professionals successfully
shooting 4/3rds - just not me. And it is a less costly system since I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination. But I love to shoot good photos and the compliments that sometimes comes with them when shown.

Trust me when I say; if you can get compliments with the $2000 lens and are not going to shoot professionally, who really cares what extras the professional gets with his extra $11,000 for his lens.

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Aug 9, 2023 12:08:34   #
Barn Owl
 
wdross, Thanks for your advice on the 4/3rds. I may have missed it; are you shooting APS-C Olympus or ?

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Aug 9, 2023 13:05:22   #
alphadog
 
Dragonophile wrote:
Sony & Nikon & Canon put out 600mm prime lenses in the $13,000 range. I can get a Fujifilm or Tamron or Sigma 150-600 mm lens for $2000 or less. I would love to see the same distant object taken at 600mm with one of the primes and one of the lesser telephotos at differing levels of cropping to see the difference in detail/sharpness. Any website show this or does someone here have such photos? I am not expecting a dramatic difference as I understand you pay a high premium for incremental improvements generally. I am not planning on any $13K purchase (unless I win Mega Millions lottery), but just curious.
Sony & Nikon & Canon put out 600mm prime l... (show quote)


what's your point??? A prime expensive lens will outperform ALWAYS any "cheap" zoom... so what are u expecting to see? You can use the lesser zoom and be happy with your results... good luck

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Aug 9, 2023 13:42:57   #
Ed D Loc: Virginia
 
I shoot with a Canon R5 and used to have a Sigma 150-600 Contemporary. I sold it and bought a Canon RF 100-500 lens. Thr difference in quality is noticeable and a number of friends commented on the photo improvement. That said, the big question is what are you happy with and what do you want? If your satisfied with your Sigma's performance and your photography is just a hobby, stick with your setup. If you're looking to eventually step up your game you will one day need to upgrade your glass.

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Aug 9, 2023 13:57:25   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Marriage is grand

Divorce is a hundred grand


One could only wish. How about four hundred grand.

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Aug 9, 2023 14:32:42   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
Wallen wrote:
Ohh, your talking about lenses.
I was about to say 13,000 can get one a new wife life


DANG!! ....you best be watchin' yer step Mr. ...!

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Aug 9, 2023 17:29:39   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
Mwilliamsphotography wrote:
BTW, here's a shot from the Sony 200-600G @ 600mm. It was shot in my yard in Florida which abuts to a wild jungle sort of area.

I saw a couple of Bob-Cat kittens frolicking and stepped out to get a couple of shots ... Momma Bob-Cat was close by I'm sure, so I was lucky to avoid a mauling.

This little one decided to hunt me ...


What a great capture 👁️👁️🏆👁️👁️

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Aug 9, 2023 17:33:30   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
What do you get for $13000 versus about $2000?

A hernia.

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Aug 9, 2023 17:56:42   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Barn Owl wrote:
wdross, Thanks for your advice on the 4/3rds. I may have missed it; are you shooting APS-C Olympus or ?


I am shooting Olympus (now OMDS). But I have no qualms with buy a Panasonic body or lens to supplement my system. I would be buying a great lens and only drop to 5.5 or 6.5 stops of IS (no dual IS between OM and Panasonic yet). And just remember, each brand and each format has it's pros - and cons.

For me, 4/3rds is a very nice fit. For 20 pounds of 20.3" x 11.4" x 7.9" backpack, I can shoot with 2 bodies, five f2.8 to f4 lenses (14 to 600 in 35mm in angle of view), 2 teleconverters, 2 flashes, 4 batteries, and other accessories with no need for a tripod. And this fits as either an overhead carry-on or under the seat carry-on - just less room for my feet. Makes for a very nice travel situation. And I hope to replace my film 90 f2 macro with the new 90 f3.5 Pro IS macro this fall.

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Aug 9, 2023 18:15:52   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
alphadog wrote:
what's your point??? A prime expensive lens will outperform ALWAYS any "cheap" zoom... so what are u expecting to see? You can use the lesser zoom and be happy with your results... good luck


Not necessarily true. If what one shoots with meets there needs, and people who are knowledgeable like what they see in the image, a cheap lense may be all they need. In the film days, I bought a cheap 400 f6.3 lens for my OM-1. And it was sharp for a cheap lens. No auto focus and the aperture mechanism was "interesting" but doable. Yes, it was not equal to Canon, Nikon, or even an Olympus lens. But it was a lot closer in quality since most of the money was in the glass instead of the autofocus and aperture mechanism. And these days with the computer power available, even a cheap zoom lens comes out very close to image quality of some of the best primes. This is why the advanced amateurs with small budgets have a much harder time deciding between a good prime and a good zoom. The trade-offs have become a lot smaller than in the film days.

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Aug 9, 2023 18:40:00   #
DVZ Loc: Littleton CO
 
The speed of the lens (think max aperture) makes a big difference in cost.

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