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Aug 2, 2023 10:35:13   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
junglejim1949 wrote:
I am trying out ON1 and am pleased so far (Day 1). I.will be experimenting with edits and effects and see what it has to offer. I like learning new things but prefer being out shooting. Tweaking photos can also be fun but not full time.


And that is where it starts Jim. I would rather be out shooting too, the PP part is less enjoyable for me.

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Aug 2, 2023 10:42:53   #
one_eyed_pete Loc: Colonie NY
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I disagree.

Of course that could be the path taken by some software companies, but the quality programs that are subscription based (e.g. Adobe LR/PS) are saving money for some users.

If you are a casual user of editing software and don't care about the latest and greatest stuff, you can get away with using a piece of software for many years, until you update your computer and it no longer supports that software. But even if you don't care about the latest and greatest stuff, improved software comes along fairly regularly that make things that were difficult into things that are easy.

When I first started using Lightroom it cost me a couple hundred dollars. Updates came along every 12-18 months and they extracted another $50-75 for them, more if you skipped an update or two in between. Photoshop was another few hundred dollars for the same sort of schedule. When Adobe started the subscription model I was skeptical at first but finally realized that by paying ~$120 a year I got more regular updates and the total cost of LR and PS was less than I had been paying.

The subscription benefits Adobe, no disagreement there. They can predict their cash flow. The money comes in on a regular basis so they can budget for R&D. Because of that we get regular updates (included in the subscription price). For those reasons I believe the subscription model benefits the user as well.

To any hobby worth its salt, there is a cost. Fishing. Golf. They may not require regular payments but they cost money. Photography is no exception. You have to buy a camera and lenses. You need a computer to store, view, and distribute your photos. The Adobe photography plan is probably the least cost and most cost effective expenditure for many of us.

Before I retired I was a New England farmer. Known for being cheap thrifty. But for the Adobe subscription provides me with value for my money, more so than the myriad impulse purchases I make. Postprocessing is not essential to my life, but it is essential to my enjoyment of photography. I could probably use IrfanView to edit my photos* but (1) they probably wouldn't look as good; (2) would take me longer; and (3) I wouldn't have the organization that allows me to find photos that I even forgot I took.



* I do use IrfanView on my Windows machine but not for editing (other than occasionally cropping or transmogrifying to another image format).
I disagree. br br Of course that could be the pat... (show quote)


I happen to agree with everything you said. I enjoy the time I spend using LR et. al. making images the best they can be and then printing some of them. It reminds me of the good ole wet darkroom days. Besides, I think I deserve to spend essentially the cost of a Starbucks coffee on myself once a month to have the latest tools for my pleasure.

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Aug 2, 2023 10:48:51   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
lamiaceae wrote:
I am still using CS6 daily on the second PC I've had since I first bought the Ps CS6 Extended on DVD-ROM directly from Adobe. I have not gone subscription yet. I wait for my next PC with Win 11 for that adventure. I originally was using CS6 with Win Vista (horrible O/S). Today I am happily using Win 10.


You said a naughty word (Vista), it was right up there is the ME fiasco.

I wonder if you could load CS6 onto a Win 11 system? The planned obsolescence idea is the other part of technology that really PI**es me off. What is wrong with driving something until it drops?

If CS6 still does what you need it to, then the rest is just an ongoing cost for bells and whistles. I was never the "keeping up with the Jones's" type...

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Aug 2, 2023 10:55:13   #
bobbyjohn Loc: Dallas, TX
 
junglejim1949 wrote:
I am not a fan of a subscription model or cloud based. I have looked at Luminar Neo and ON1. Does anyone had experience with either software?

Luminar NEO has become my go-to program for image editing. Over the years, I have used, and still have installed: Perfectly Clear, Corel PaintShop, Portrait Pro, and I find Luminar NEO to be the winner. The only thing I don't like about Skylum & NEO is that they sock-it-to-ya with putting add-in functions into something called "Extensions" which you must buy extra to the base program. It's their way of generating more revenue. Sure wish that these functions would be in the base program!

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Aug 2, 2023 10:59:34   #
junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
Luminar NEO has become my go-to program for image editing. Over the years, I have used, and still have installed: Perfectly Clear, Corel PaintShop, Portrait Pro, and I find Luminar NEO to be the winner. The only thing I don't like about Skylum & NEO is that they sock-it-to-ya with putting add-in functions into something called "Extensions" which you must buy extra to the base program. It's their way of generating more revenue. Sure wish that these functions would be in the base program!
Luminar NEO has become my go-to program for image ... (show quote)


Greed rears it's ugly head once again.

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Aug 2, 2023 11:20:42   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
junglejim1949 wrote:
I am not a fan of a
subscription model or cloud based.
I have looked at Luminar Neo and ON1.
Does anyone had experience with either software?


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I have been using ON1 Photo RAW for 7 or 8 years and find it to be an excellent editor. I tried Luminar Neo and found it to be a real pain with numerous problems so I got rid of it. I recommend ON1.

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Aug 2, 2023 11:30:04   #
junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA
 
jamesl wrote:
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I have been using ON1 Photo RAW for 7 or 8 years and find it to be an excellent editor. I tried Luminar Neo and found it to be a real pain with numerous problems so I got rid of it. I recommend ON1.


Thanks for your recommendation James. I appreciate hearing about your real life experience with ON1.

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Aug 2, 2023 12:37:22   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Guzser02 wrote:
I have experience with On1. Once you are comfortable with global editing, you'll turn your attention to local editing, and here you'll see how important masking is to that process. In my opimion, On1 is unparalleled when it comes to masking.
On1 is a parametric editor that (to use your words) stand(s) alone.


And what comparisons have you made to determine that “On1 is unparalleled when it comes to masking”?

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Aug 2, 2023 12:43:10   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Mike D. wrote:
If you have to have a Photoshop-like clone, there is an open-source option called GIMP.

I had that once upon a time as well but figured that if I was going to invest that kind of time in software, I was going for the real deal, so I bought a copy of Photoshop CS6 and a book called Understanding Photoshop CS6...

When the authentication code didn't work, I contacted Adobe and they told me that I had not purchased the program from an authorized reseller and that there was nothing they could do. Not long after that the marketing geniuses rolled out the subscription service.

It was a revenue generating idea of the highest magnitude but not for this guy either.

The point of the diatribe is that there are options, and ones that won't lighten your bank account on a monthly basis.
If you have to have a Photoshop-like clone, there ... (show quote)


So you made a bad decision trying to save money and blame Adobe. Yes my bank account is lightened by a whopping $9.99 a month. I don’t even notice it. You can barely get a fast food meal for that these days. What I get is state of the art software with continuous updates and new features. I also get up to 5 free websites, (although I currently only use one). I think it’s a bargain.

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Aug 2, 2023 13:17:36   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
So you made a bad decision trying to save money and blame Adobe. Yes my bank account is lightened by a whopping $9.99 a month. I don’t even notice it. You can barely get a fast food meal for that these days. What I get is state of the art software with continuous updates and new features. I also get up to 5 free websites, (although I currently only use one). I think it’s a bargain.


However did you get that out of what I said? Stick to reading the lines and forget the in betweens...

What I said was that it doesn't work for me and the only thing that I could even possibly give Adobe grief about is that they refused to do anything about a potentially bootlegged copy of their software.

As for Adobe and their subscription service, it was marketing genius and I know a lot of people who enjoy it. It is just not something I want to deal with and as you can see by the OP's original post, I am not alone.

This is why we have choices, so you can take the path that works best for you...

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Aug 2, 2023 13:18:39   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
junglejim1949 wrote:
I am not a fan of a
subscription model or cloud based.
I have looked at Luminar Neo and ON1.
Does anyone had experience with either software?


I do use all of Skylum’s software, Neo included and find it quite good. Neo, particularly is pretty fast and works nicely with Capture One and most mainline editors. The advantages of Neo include low pricing, speed, quality production for the most part, and its use of AI to make editing faster and a lot easier. Cheers!

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Aug 2, 2023 13:19:54   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
jamesl wrote:
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I have been using ON1 Photo RAW for 7 or 8 years and find it to be an excellent editor. I tried Luminar Neo and found it to be a real pain with numerous problems so I got rid of it. I recommend ON1.


What were the “pains?”

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Aug 2, 2023 13:36:26   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Mike D. wrote:
That makes two of us Jim.

I have Luminar AI and NEO. Like most things they have their strenghts and weaknesses but if you don't do heavy editing, NEO should suffice.

My biggest issue is that I am running these programs on a laptop that is roughly 6 years old. The short of it is that said computer has an i5 processor with only 2 gb of RAM which is on the bottom of the Luminar barrel. To make a long story short, I don't do a lot of editing because the computer is simply not up to the task.

If you had at least an i7 with 8-16 gb of RAM and a graphics card with its own memory, then you would have no problems.

You could always download the trial version and then buy the key if you like it.
That makes two of us Jim. br br I have Luminar ... (show quote)


Ah, Yes! Wintel Computer memory in the age of Windows 10/11!

8 is the new 4
16 is the new 8
32 is the new 16!

I got a Dell XPS-8930 [DESKTOP] a couple of years ago with a 3 GHZ I-7 and 16 GB of ram.
This was to replace an earlier Dell XPS with 12 GB of ram.

[ALSO E/W a grapic card with 6 GB of ram]

The day I received it, I upgraded to 32 GB of ram to obtain the grapic performance I was expecting.

I personally have found that having a DEDICATED grapic Card and plenty of memory make a huge difference. It is somewhat hard to find the DEDICATED GPU in retail laptops due to cost constraints.

I have a HP 17' Laptop with 8 GB of ram and the "Integrated GPU" that fails miserably @ this task.
I actually Picked UP an OLDER DELL laptop, upgraded to 6 GB of ram, BUT equipped with a dedicated GPU
[& an I-5 CPU] which outperforms the newer HP.

The new, updated Windows [and applications] are capable BUT expect to be well-fed!

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Aug 2, 2023 13:54:50   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
The new, updated Windows [and applications] are capable BUT expect to be well-fed!

This makes perfect sense, actually.

After downloading NEO, I sat down with one of my sons to play.

The first thing that we tried was a sky replacement. We sat, we waited, and after half a minute or so I thought that the computer had crashed. After another half minute or the sky appeared.

I'm too old and crotchety to have my time wasted like that and I don't see an upgrade anytime soon so I find workarounds. lol

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Aug 2, 2023 14:24:12   #
Sentinel4
 
junglejim1949 wrote:
I am not a fan of a
subscription model or cloud based.
I have looked at Luminar Neo and ON1.
Does anyone had experience with either software?

I use Luminar Neo. You may consider reviewing utube videos by Jim Nix. This may answer questions as to whether or not the program will help you. The Clever Photographer also publishes videos covering all features of the program. Sentinel4.

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