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What's better to use: a tilt-shift lens, or software; or perhaps both?
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Jul 1, 2023 14:41:24   #
rlscholl Loc: California
 
One relatively inexpensive solution you might consider is to get a used Olympus OM 35mm shift lens (or comparable from another manufacturer) and an adapter for your Sony camera. The cost would be about $500. Optically it is not as great as the Canon tilt-shift lens, but it is a lot simpler to use, and the shift feature is the primary one you would need. It’s not a perfect solution, but it would provide an opportunity to evaluate for yourself the benefits of the lens vs. post correction.

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Jul 1, 2023 15:49:39   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Questions like the one in this thread will garner many opinions. The best way for them and anon else to make a decision should be based on common sense. individual requires budgetary consideration.

Because my "day job" is in photography, I may tend to voice the "professional" side of the equation, however, even in business, there has to be a budgetary decision on whether or not a significant investment in specialized equipment t is justified and if it the gear in consideration will be in frequent use and if it will eventually pay for itself in efficiency, quality, and customer satisfaction.

Personally, I have experienced both ends of the spectrum as per distortion management. I have spent hours on a single architectural shoot, interior and exterior, with a large format view camera or a customized digitally converted medium format camer, using every possible camera movement to "put it all on the negat, transparency or digital file. I also have made casual shots with my cell phone, quickly edited them on an Android app, and come uo with decent enough results but nothing that is going to be scrutinized by an architect or made into extreme large display prints.

As I have written in many previous posts, I try to point out the ideal ways and means, that may be expensive and extensive and also mention many workaround methods.

Also, somtimes it is more effective to NOT even attempt to correct the perspective and use the dynamic converging lines for graphic compositions or intentionally forced the perspective.
Questions like the one in this thread will garner ... (show quote)


A beguiling array of photographic perfection 💙🏆🔟🏆💙

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Jul 1, 2023 16:21:42   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Interesting but way overcooked.


Sorry about that! These are scans and files in storage and reproduction is admittedly bad. The illustration was about perspective not saturation or density. Besides, some like it hot and some like it cold.





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Jul 1, 2023 20:23:19   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Chris63 wrote:
I do a lot of architecture photography (snapshots) with Sony A7 II.
I am ready to graduate to something that would let me "straighten up" buildings, trees, etc.

Any recommendations, either for a lens, or for software (i.e. cost, quality of output)?

P.S. Is there any very simple software available (perhaps an add-on for my PC) that would feature tilt-shift as a main feature?
Thanks


Fotodiox make several tilt/shift adapters for different lens mounts to Sony E-mount including medium format lenses. I use one with a Minolta wide angle with better results than I would get from PS. See here for some examples with a Hasselblad lens. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/hands-on-review/in-the-field-fotodiox-pro-tlt-rokr-tilt-shift-adapters

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Jul 1, 2023 21:16:42   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
repleo wrote:
Fotodiox make several tilt/shift adapters for different lens mounts to Sony E-mount including medium format lenses. I use one with a Minolta wide angle with better results than I would get from PS. See here for some examples with a Hasselblad lens. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/hands-on-review/in-the-field-fotodiox-pro-tlt-rokr-tilt-shift-adapters


Sadly the image circle of regular lenses is too small to shift without vignetting badly.
With APSC cameras it will be better and a FF lens.

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Jul 1, 2023 22:13:44   #
gwilliams6
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Questions like the one in this thread will garner many opinions. The best way for them and anon else to make a decision should be based on common sense. individual requires budgetary consideration.

Because my "day job" is in photography, I may tend to voice the "professional" side of the equation, however, even in business, there has to be a budgetary decision on whether or not a significant investment in specialized equipment t is justified and if it the gear in consideration will be in frequent use and if it will eventually pay for itself in efficiency, quality, and customer satisfaction.

Personally, I have experienced both ends of the spectrum as per distortion management. I have spent hours on a single architectural shoot, interior and exterior, with a large format view camera or a customized digitally converted medium format camer, using every possible camera movement to "put it all on the negat, transparency or digital file. I also have made casual shots with my cell phone, quickly edited them on an Android app, and come uo with decent enough results but nothing that is going to be scrutinized by an architect or made into extreme large display prints.

As I have written in many previous posts, I try to point out the ideal ways and means, that may be expensive and extensive and also mention many workaround methods.

Also, somtimes it is more effective to NOT even attempt to correct the perspective and use the dynamic converging lines for graphic compositions or intentionally forced the perspective.
Questions like the one in this thread will garner ... (show quote)



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Jul 1, 2023 22:14:56   #
gwilliams6
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Sorry about that! These are scans and files in storage and reproduction is admittedly bad. The illustration was about perspective not saturation or density. Besides, some like it hot and some like it cold.



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Jul 2, 2023 02:58:20   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Scruples wrote:
I am not particularly experienced in post production. This is because the time passed me by and I was comfortable in the camera changes. For those that are computer savvy, I guess many photographic mishaps can be easily corrected. My favorite photograph is the album cover from Pink Floyd’s Wish You Were Here. This was done by Storm Thorgeson. Two men are shaking hands on an industrial back lot. One man (on the right) is on fire. Really on fire!! Then there was no such thing as PhotoShop or Light Room. The man is wearing a fireproof suit underneath. Assistants were off to the side with extinguishers. Gasoline was poured and the man was set ablaze. Great!
I never used computer post processing and I will need a kind and patient teacher.

As for using a Tilt/Shift lens, I saved money and splurged for it. It has a hefty price but I get a good bang for the buck.

If you are not sure, rent an appropriate tilt shift lens and take some photos. Then those who are computer savvy can make the informed decision.
I am not particularly experienced in post producti... (show quote)


I know that Pink Floyd cover well and love it and the music of the album.

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Jul 2, 2023 05:51:35   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
lamiaceae wrote:
I know that Pink Floyd cover well and love it and the music of the album.


There was a delightful book and eventually a movie. It was titled, “Taken By Storm:The Art of Storm Thorgerson And Hipgnosis”

I was aware of some of his work but not all. He was truly a prolific artist.

My point was he did not have the tools for post processing. I am in awe of his skills.

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Jul 2, 2023 06:17:34   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
…..These are scans and files in storage and reproduction is admittedly bad…..


Your work is not overcooked in my opinion. They are a true representation of the architectural design. Your technique wis definitely a legacy. Please, don’t sell yourself short!

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Jul 2, 2023 09:37:24   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Scruples wrote:
There was a delightful book and eventually a movie. It was titled, “Taken By Storm:The Art of Storm Thorgerson And Hipgnosis”

I was aware of some of his work but not all. He was truly a prolific artist.

My point was he did not have the tools for post processing. I am in awe of his skills.


I am quite aware of many of Storm Thorgerson And Hipgnosis' album art covers. Own many albums they adorned. Not sure if I've seen the film. Might be worth seeing. Thanks.

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Jul 2, 2023 10:47:13   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Scruples wrote:
Your work is not overcooked in my opinion. They are a true representation of the architectural design. Your technique wis definitely a legacy. Please, don’t sell yourself short!


Thank you for your kind remarks.

I suppose that some of my posted images are indeed "overcooked". As a commercial photographer, I have a wide variety of assignments, some of which call for "high contrast" images that look more like graphic arts than pure photogahy. Years ago, with film, I used to address those jobs with solarization, posterization, a highly-contrast film such as Koadlith, and the production of multiple internegatives.

I have tons of images that were made on transparency film with view cameras. The extent of tilts, swings, and shifts, in those cameras far surpasses what is available on a T/S lens. To post these images on the UHH site they have to be scanned or copied and oftetimes contrast is increased and quality suffers. Some of these images are scanned from old prints because the negatives are no longer easily located. This thread, of course, is NOT about color accuracy or saturation but about perspective, and rather than trying to write lengthy descriptions of visual topics, I quickley had to dig into the file or discard the shelf and find something.

I am not insulted or upset by critiques. Critiques are healthy and it's good to know what others, cohorts, and othere photographers think of my work. When I was a young rookie at a large studio, the older guys use my work as a punching bag- and that was how I quickly learned about things I would have never gleaned in a classroom. Every day at work and at home, I am set upon by critics- customers, art directors, my lovely wife, and all our kids and grandkids. If I get more accolades than bloopers, I am in good shape. So far, the percentages are somewhat decent! When a photographer sits back and thinks their work is God's gift to photogahy, they stagnate and never grow.

When someone negatively criticizes my work from a technical standpoint, my attitude is "Show me a better way, show me how to do it and I am all eyes and ears".

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Jul 2, 2023 10:51:47   #
gwilliams6
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Thank you for your kind remarks.

I suppose that some of my posted images are indeed "overcooked". As a commercial photographer, I have a wide variety of assignments, some of which call for "high contrast" images that look more like graphic arts than pure photogahy. Years ago, with film, I used to address those jobs with solarization, posterization, a highly-contrast film such as Koadlith, and the production of multiple internegatives.

I have tons of images that were made on transparency film with view cameras. The extent of tilts, swings, and shifts, in those cameras far surpasses what is available on a T/S lens. To post these images on the UHH site they have to be scanned or copied and oftetimes contrast is increased and quality suffers. Some of these images are scanned from old prints because the negatives are no longer easily located. This thread, of course, is NOT about color accuracy or saturation but about perspective, and rather than trying to write lengthy descriptions of visual topics, I quickley had to dig into the file or discard the shelf and find something.

I am not insulted or upset by critiques. Critiques are healthy and it's good to know what others, cohorts, and othere photographers think of my work. When I was a young rookie at a large studio, the older guys use my work as a punching bag- and that was how I quickly learned about things I would have never gleaned in a classroom. Every day at work and at home, I am set upon by critics- customers, art directors, my lovely wife, and all our kids and grandkids. If I get more accolades than bloopers, I am in good shape. So far, the percentages are somewhat decent! When a photographer sits back and thinks their work is God's gift to photogahy, they stagnate and never grow.

When someone negatively criticizes my work from a technical standpoint, my attitude is "Show me a better way, show me how to do it and I am all eyes and ears".
Thank you for your kind remarks. br br I suppose ... (show quote)



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Jul 2, 2023 12:17:13   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Scruples wrote:
There was a delightful book and eventually a movie. It was titled, “Taken By Storm:The Art of Storm Thorgerson And Hipgnosis”

I was aware of some of his work but not all. He was truly a prolific artist.

My point was he did not have the tools for post processing. I am in awe of his skills.


I watched it thru. I had seen it before (not sure when) but it was worth seeing again. And I got to hear some Pink Floyd music in it. I also am pretty sure Thorgerson did other album covers I have that were not featured in the film. Several by 10CC come to mind. Perhaps there was a licensing issue.

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Jul 2, 2023 13:53:39   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Thank you for your kind remarks…..

I suppose that some of my posted images are indeed "overcooked"…..


I don’t mind good critique. It is a welcome departure from the lame criticisms that many inexperienced dolts offer.

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