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Jul 1, 2023 18:30:38   #
BBurns Loc: South Bay, California
 
Altprocess wrote:
This Canon Ni-Cd Pack FN no longer holds a charge. The high speed one does, so the charger is still good. On the F-1 Facebook group it was suggested that Batteries Plus can rebuild it. Has anyone had this done or are there other recommendations/suggestions? I have a PhD in history which means I have no discernible skills to do this myself, probably!
Hi Chris, The rebuilder I had out here has retired. I am looking for another now for you.
As I recall, the ni-cd's in that pack are 'N' cells. It is just a very tight fit.
Kudos on getting it open that far, it is truly a puzzle. Remember to pay close attention to the screw lengths.
I'll keep you posted.

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Jul 1, 2023 19:18:06   #
Altprocess Loc: Connecticut
 
Thank you so much for your email. I did not note that I cannot see things up close. Severely far sighted. Considered legally blind but glasses correct for driving. Cannot really solder due to sight issues.

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Jul 2, 2023 07:25:20   #
Mcwane Loc: Southwestern Virginia
 
Retired CPO wrote:
You need to figure out how to put that expensive education to good use!!


I have a degree in electronics and have done this sort of thing all my life. When my battery packs get to where they no longer hold a charge, I will buy a new one. Looks like you got the battery open with a lot of time and patients and you might find the right size and voltage battery and you can solder them in series and maybe have a battery that will work and hold a charge. You might be able to get the battery back together so it will fit in your camera. With all the time you spent and the cost of the new batters, would you really want to use it in a nice camera? Best bet is just to bite the bullet and buy a new battery. Just my opinion.

Phil

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Jul 2, 2023 07:30:41   #
Mcwane Loc: Southwestern Virginia
 
Altprocess wrote:
This Canon Ni-Cd Pack FN no longer holds a charge. The high speed one does, so the charger is still good. On the F-1 Facebook group it was suggested that Batteries Plus can rebuild it. Has anyone had this done or are there other recommendations/suggestions? I have a PhD in history which means I have no discernible skills to do this myself, probably!


I have a degree in electronics and have done this sort of thing all my life. When my battery packs get to where they no longer hold a charge, I will buy a new one. You should be able to open up the battery pack with a lot of time and patients and you might find the right size and voltage battery and you can solder them in series and maybe have a battery that will work and hold a charge. You might be able to get the battery back together so it will fit in your camera. With all the time you spent and the cost of the new batters, would you really want to use it in a nice camera? Best bet is just to bite the bullet and buy a new battery. Just my opinion.

Phil

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Jul 2, 2023 07:41:47   #
BebuLamar
 
Mcwane wrote:
I have a degree in electronics and have done this sort of thing all my life. When my battery packs get to where they no longer hold a charge, I will buy a new one. You should be able to open up the battery pack with a lot of time and patients and you might find the right size and voltage battery and you can solder them in series and maybe have a battery that will work and hold a charge. You might be able to get the battery back together so it will fit in your camera. With all the time you spent and the cost of the new batters, would you really want to use it in a nice camera? Best bet is just to bite the bullet and buy a new battery. Just my opinion.

Phil
I have a degree in electronics and have done this ... (show quote)


I would surely recommend buying a new pack if that is possible. Can you buy a new OEM or even third party battery pack for the Canon F1 motor drive? In fact buying a non working pack to rebuild is hard enough.
The F1 was in the 70's and even the 90's Nikon F5 it's impossible to buy the MN-30 NiCad pack for it.

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Jul 2, 2023 07:47:09   #
Mcwane Loc: Southwestern Virginia
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I would surely recommend buying a new pack if that is possible. Can you buy a new OEM or even third party battery pack for the Canon F1 motor drive? In fact buying a non working pack to rebuild is hard enough.
The F1 was in the 70's and even the 90's Nikon F5 it's impossible to buy the MN-30 NiCad pack for it.


I understand now, I should have realized that. In such a case, I would do like you and try to rebuild it also. Good luck with it.

Phil

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Jul 2, 2023 07:58:43   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Another thought I had about this topic:
In the day, I remember some companies that specialized in rebuilding battery packs for 2-Way & Ham Radio portable transceivers. They might have the sources & skills for this work.

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Jul 2, 2023 09:39:33   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
Altprocess wrote:
This Canon Ni-Cd Pack FN no longer holds a charge. The high speed one does, so the charger is still good. On the F-1 Facebook group it was suggested that Batteries Plus can rebuild it. Has anyone had this done or are there other recommendations/suggestions? I have a PhD in history which means I have no discernible skills to do this myself, probably!


Yes they have built replacement packs for my gas detector which is nicad and looks very similar to yours. After seeing what they did I now make my own.

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Jul 2, 2023 09:44:02   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
There are lots of online videos about how to make a new battery pack. It's best to buy those thin, flat connectors online. You can buy or make a "welder" to attach the plates to the batteries.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=make+a+battery+pack

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Jul 2, 2023 10:15:36   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Thanks John/Daddy! For the fatherly guidance. Being from Eastern Mass, I know you recognize and probably engage in "snarky" responses. My wife is from Boston, I'm well acquainted with "snark"
Since you didn't catch the sarcasm, let me explain: I would have thought that someone with a PhD would be knowledgeable enough to use resources immediately available to them when they are in a situation beyond their expertise. The OP states that he has a friend who is an electrician!
May I dare to hope that in the future, I can approach you with questions concerning more fatherly guidance?
My daughter has decided that it's a good idea to start smoking crack. What should I do? Should I recommend that she wait until the baby is born?
Thanks again, Daddy!
Thanks John/Daddy! For the fatherly guidance. Bein... (show quote)


See Chief the problem is (globally) education doesn't guarantee nor include common sense. I know more people that have no formal education that would immediately take that battery pack, tear it down, study it and put it back together like new. AND it would work. Goes something like this: "No Fear".

I personally would have that pack torn apart in a nanosecond and gather up the pieces to make it whole again. That is just me. But I am an unedumecated idiot with an above average IQ.

To OP good luck on whatever you do. It will all work out.

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Jul 2, 2023 10:36:43   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
Goes something like this: "No Fear".


Something like, "Hold my beer and watch this!" 🤣

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Jul 2, 2023 12:00:20   #
Altprocess Loc: Connecticut
 
Thank you all (mostly) for replying. Let's close this discussion down. I have all the information I need unless someone has the name of someone who does this professionally. As a few noted it's not just assembling the battery pack that is involved. But it's all good...

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Jul 2, 2023 13:23:47   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Altprocess wrote:
Thank you all (mostly) for replying. Let's close this discussion down. I have all the information I need unless someone has the name of someone who does this professionally. As a few noted it's not just assembling the battery pack that is involved. But it's all good...


Alright, Case Closed

Just a "public service" announcement for me. On a "Consumer News" report on one of our major National TV news sources, there was a report on batteries. It seems there was some serious fire caused by the replacement batteries for electric bicycles. Folks were big cheaper replaces, buyg off-brands to save money and in many cases, the wrong kidsof batteries were installed. Lithium Ion batteries were substituted for other kinds. Chargers and bikes were damaged and fires were ignited.

Of course, those (bike) batteries are of high amperage than camera batteries and it is not likely that using an improper or out-of-specification battery will set your camera ablaze but it can cause damage to both the camera and the charger. Even cell phones with Litheum-Ion batteries can seriously overheat if overcharged or plugged in the wrong charger.

My point is, if you think back to the film era and the continual expenses for film, processing, and darkroom supplies,ec the cost of maintaining a camera and some modest editing software, is relatively less. People are always complaining about the cost of batteries, cards, software licenses, etc. Photograhy was never an inexpensive hobby for the advanced enthusiast, nor will it ever be "cheap"! It was never a small investment for the professional either. I go by the "rule" expressed in that old Fram oil filter" commercial. "Pay me now or pay me later. If y don't take care to maintain your equipment properly with minor expenses, you'll end up paying hefty repair or replacement bills LATER!


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/e-bike-batteries-fire-risk-175900593.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJR75KsMDcp-FvwVFUgcezWC7lnk5NFyoJi95wKrRLdr-H4zLI-zQ3kfvGjDHxUkAcU6cWq229ZvRH1maWaCrZDpt5wyP4XpkhhhJ3UyirempWyiKKWQAXM3JK3bNWcmsxCf4Ei2WJdG7Agu3zbxJyYe76s1c4XQ89L4gdBDUtUz

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Jul 2, 2023 13:26:43   #
bandaidman
 
First Good luck with the rebuild. You can use NiMH in place of NiCad batteries. the person who rebuilds the pack should be able to do that without problems. Depending on charger you may even be able to use it. NiMH batteries don't take a set like NiCad batteries do. I've changed Ham radio batteries that way without problems. they often have more amps than the NiCad ones do. Hope all goes well.

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Jul 2, 2023 14:10:47   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Something like, "Hold my beer and watch this!" 🤣


You got it Jerry! Thats the spirit!

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