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Jul 1, 2023 08:50:05   #
Canisdirus
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Definitely not hearing aids battery. The cell is way too big to fit in a hearing aids. Also they never use NiCad in hearing aids.


Not per se hearing aids...but the same type of batteries...all stacked together.

Take apart any regular A...AA...AAA battery... all stacks of small batteries.

Read the battery label once open...count how many...buy them...reassemble.

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Jul 1, 2023 08:56:25   #
BebuLamar
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Not per se hearing aids...but the same type of batteries...all stacked together.

Take apart any regular A...AA...AAA battery... all stacks of small batteries.

Read the battery label once open...count how many...buy them...reassemble.


Oh yeah? both hearing aids and AA, AAA are all single cell. There is no stacking.

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Jul 1, 2023 09:23:37   #
Altprocess Loc: Connecticut
 
Hi Larry,

Thanks for the reply. I was the one that very carefully removed the screws and used a little heat to "loosen" the glue to open up the case. All screws were put in a small pill container so everything is good in that respect.

altprocess

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Jul 1, 2023 09:37:10   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Altprocess wrote:
Hi Larry,

Thanks for the reply. I was the one that very carefully removed the screws and used a little heat to "loosen" the glue to open up the case. All screws were put in a small pill container so everything is good in that respect.

altprocess


Cool. I did a little searching around the FN battery pack. It is from a time when things were built more "accessably." I had to do some cutting to open my calculator batteries, so they were never quite the same afterwards.

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Jul 1, 2023 09:46:23   #
Canisdirus
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Oh yeah? both hearing aids and AA, AAA are all single cell. There is no stacking.


Not sure where you have been... I loathe to post links but...and his one is 15 years old...15.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxS38_u7Mnw

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Jul 1, 2023 10:21:49   #
BebuLamar
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Not sure where you have been... I loathe to post links but...and his one is 15 years old...15.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxS38_u7Mnw


You obviously don't know about batteries. None of the ones in the video is a hearing aids battery nor AA or AAA batteries.

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Jul 1, 2023 11:35:45   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Rick from NY wrote:
I too have had success with rebuilt NiCad packs way back when NiCad was best available option. But if I were still using an old NiCad batt and it failed, I wouldn’t spend any money on a repair - I’d just buy a newer pack with Lithium ion batts. So much better on so many levels (except for the pesky fact that L-ion might just blow the plane you’re on out of the sky or burn down my office 😎). In all seriousness, I NEVER leave my batts in the chargers once they are recharged and ALWAYS use a piece of electricians tape to cover the terminals on all of my uninstalled batts. Love the convenience/utility of L-ion, but always cognizant of the very real danger if shorted out.
I too have had success with rebuilt NiCad packs wa... (show quote)

CAUTION CAUTION!
Conversion from NiCad to L-ion runs a significant fire 🔥 risk if the NiCad charger is still used.
Significant number of L-ion battery fires result from improper/wrong charging.

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Jul 1, 2023 11:40:11   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Oh yeah? both hearing aids and AA, AAA are all single cell. There is no stacking.


Exactly right. All that were mentioned are single cells (and they are NOT all the same type - most hearing aid batteries are air dielectric)

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Jul 1, 2023 12:37:20   #
Shdowchaser Loc: Mesa Az
 
Altprocess wrote:
This Canon Ni-Cd Pack FN no longer holds a charge. The high speed one does, so the charger is still good. On the F-1 Facebook group it was suggested that Batteries Plus can rebuild it. Has anyone had this done or are there other recommendations/suggestions? I have a PhD in history which means I have no discernible skills to do this myself, probably!


Yes, Batteries Plus (at least here in Arizona) builds replacement batteries of the type you are showing. I work for a local municipality as an electrician and we replace batteries in specialty emergency lights for the water department all the time. HUNDREDS of them. The heat shrink part is really no problem and the battery techs always seem to identify just which cells were in the originals.
Still not cheap but usually 1/3 the cost of ordering from the fixture manufacturer. Only thing to make sure of is that they are able to re-connect the original wire coming out. They do not supply connectors.
Hope this helps.

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Jul 1, 2023 13:33:54   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Thanks John/Daddy! For the fatherly guidance. Being from Eastern Mass, I know you recognize and probably engage in "snarky" responses. My wife is from Boston, I'm well acquainted with "snark"
Since you didn't catch the sarcasm, let me explain: I would have thought that someone with a PhD would be knowledgeable enough to use resources immediately available to them when they are in a situation beyond their expertise.
The OP states that he has a friend who is an electrician!
May I dare to hope that in the future, I can approach you with questions concerning more fatherly guidance?
My daughter has decided that it's a good idea to start smoking crack. What should I do? Should I recommend that she wait until the baby is born?
Thanks again, Daddy!
Thanks John/Daddy! For the fatherly guidance. Bein... (show quote)


No, you should encourage her to continue. Then, when baby is born, they will have the unique bonding experience of mutual addiction.

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Jul 1, 2023 13:36:49   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Actually the toughest task in rebuilding the battery pack is to open it up. Some were welded via ultrasonic welder and very difficult to to open up and of course glue it back together. But if you have your friend does the wiring you should find out what size of battery they are. Battery Plus charges much higher prices for battery than other online businesses. If they are willing to rebuild it then the cost of battery isn't much as the cost of rebuilding it is in the labor not so much for the new cells.
Actually the toughest task in rebuilding the batte... (show quote)


A Dremel tool with a thin cutting blade opens plastic cases easily. Two caveats merged into one: Secure the battery cpack in a vise and hold the Dremel in both hands. This will help control the cutting disc so that it barley penetrates the case, and perhaps save you from a very nasty cut.

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Jul 1, 2023 14:36:34   #
cwp3420
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Thanks John/Daddy! For the fatherly guidance. Being from Eastern Mass, I know you recognize and probably engage in "snarky" responses. My wife is from Boston, I'm well acquainted with "snark"
Since you didn't catch the sarcasm, let me explain: I would have thought that someone with a PhD would be knowledgeable enough to use resources immediately available to them when they are in a situation beyond their expertise.
The OP states that he has a friend who is an electrician!
May I dare to hope that in the future, I can approach you with questions concerning more fatherly guidance?
My daughter has decided that it's a good idea to start smoking crack. What should I do? Should I recommend that she wait until the baby is born?
Thanks again, Daddy!
Thanks John/Daddy! For the fatherly guidance. Bein... (show quote)




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Jul 1, 2023 14:51:11   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Not per se hearing aids...but the same type of batteries...all stacked together.

Take apart any regular A...AA...AAA battery... all stacks of small batteries.

Read the battery label once open...count how many...buy them...reassemble.


Physical assembly is one thing. Electrically balancing cell voltage and especially internal cell resistance is quite another! Unless that is done properly, a pack will not perform as expected and may fail or catch fire. NiCd is the least reliable battery chemistry and the most sensitive to imbalanced cells in a pack.

I had a Norman 400B flash about 18 years ago. The NiCd battery was a piece of junk. It failed a month after the warranty ran out.

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Jul 1, 2023 16:26:47   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
Retired CPO wrote:
You need to figure out how to put that expensive education to good use!!
I think he has a part-time job as a waiter at Boston’s Faneuil Hall
https://www.grubstreet.com/2012/06/americas-abusive-rude-restaurants-bars-list.html

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Jul 1, 2023 17:50:17   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Dear Doctor!

The company you refer to specializes in low-voltage energy storage- Batteries. If you contact them, via the link below, you can inquire about the specifications for your camera. They should be able to supply an exact replacement as per voltage, ampere/hour rating, and charger compatibility with your existing equipment.

The batteries in question are not dangerous, so if you decide on a DIY fix, you won't be electrocuted if you make a mistake. An error in polarity can possibly damage the camera and/or the charger. Acquiring batteries of the wrong specification can yied poor performance. A DIY installation may requre soldering and heat-sinking the batteries to avoid head damage during the procedure.

I have purchased parts from Battery Plus- they are completely
honest and reliable. I am a long-time electronics dabbler and have been involved in photo-electronics for many decades.

If you are not into this kind of work, it is best to have it professionally addressed.



https://www.batteriesplusbusiness.com/about-us/

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