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Jul 1, 2023 08:39:09   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Thanks to everyone who offered some advice. It is all useable and I will take it to heart to improve my photos with the Sony.

Dennis

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Jul 1, 2023 08:56:40   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
dennis2146 wrote:
...I did try..., to put the focus box elsewhere as you describe up into the sky and then on another tree before going back to the bird. But I could see the shot was going to be out of focus on the last few OOF shots.....


The hunt for focus starts close to the camera and works its way out. If there are twigs in front of the subject and they fall within the focus box, they will trigger focus lock. You want the subject to be the first thing that triggers focus lock so you want to keep twigs etc out of the focus box until the subject has triggered the focus lock. If you're using S mode the camera will keep the first focus lock but in C or A mode, something closer falling within the focus box can get the focus point to change, even if the subject hasn't left the focus box.

If you got a lock on something that you didn't want to be the focus point you just need to take your finger off of the shutter release button and the process is then free to start again. In S mode you can get the focus lock as described and then recompose (while holding the shutter release button half way to keep the focus lock) to get the framing the way you want it. In C or A mode you can't get that sort of control over what the camera selects as a focus point, and any attempt to recompose could trigger another (unwanted) focus lock.

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Jul 1, 2023 09:06:46   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
R.G. wrote:
The hunt for focus starts close to the camera and works its way out. If there are twigs in front of the subject and they fall within the focus box, they will trigger focus lock. You want the subject to be the first thing that triggers focus lock so you want to keep twigs etc out of the focus box until the subject has triggered the focus lock. If you're using S mode the camera will keep the first focus lock but in C or A mode, something closer falling within the focus box can get the focus point to change, even if the subject hasn't left the focus box.

If you got a lock on something that you didn't want to be the focus point you just need to take your finger off of the shutter release button and the process is then free to start again. In S mode you can get the focus lock as described and then recompose (while holding the shutter release button half way to keep the focus lock) to get the framing the way you want it. In C or A mode you can't get that sort of control over what the camera selects as a focus point, and any attempt to recompose could trigger another (unwanted) focus lock.
The hunt for focus starts close to the camera and ... (show quote)


That makes sense. Normally for my shooting this wouldn't apply. Why it did in the case of my Osprey is weird as the twig is centered pretty much in front of the bird. Why the camera would select the twig to focus on rather than the bird, when I brought the camera toward the bird from the left when I realized something was not working is beyond me. Most likely it won't happen again but at least now I know how to do something to avoid it.

Dennis

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Jul 1, 2023 09:15:06   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
dennis2146 wrote:
...Why the camera would select the twig to focus on rather than the bird, when I brought the camera toward the bird from the left when I realized something was not working is beyond me....


If you were using C mode it would be prone to changing the focus point, even after achieving a perfectly good focus lock on the subject. The mystery is how were you getting away with it before? With S mode the camera keeps the first focus lock until you either take the shot or take your finger off of the shutter release button.

I use that technique when I'm using hyperfocal distance. I can get a focus lock in one direction and then recompose to point in a totally different direction and the camera will keep the focus lock until the shot is taken.

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Jul 1, 2023 09:17:11   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
R.G. wrote:
If you were using C mode it would be prone to changing the focus point, even after achieving a perfectly good focus lock on the subject. The mystery is how were you getting away with it before? With S mode the camera keeps the first focus lock until you either take the shot or take your finger off of the shutter release button.

I use that technique when I'm using hyperfocal distance. I can get a focus lock in one direction and then recompose to point in a totally different direction and the camera will keep the focus lock until the shot is taken.
If you were using C mode it would be prone to chan... (show quote)


I am afraid I cannot explain how I got away with anything before. Like most of us I use the camera, any camera, get good photos, to my liking and then take more. I have never paid much attention to the specifics.

Dennis

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Jul 1, 2023 09:22:33   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I am afraid I cannot explain how I got away with anything before. Like most of us I use the camera, any camera, get good photos, to my liking and then take more. I have never paid much attention to the specifics.

Dennis


C mode is the right mode for BIF and other moving subjects. The good thing about eye focus lock is that you could leave the camera in C mode without any concerns.

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Jul 1, 2023 09:29:03   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
R.G. wrote:
C mode is the right mode for BIF and other moving subjects. The good thing about eye focus lock is that you could leave the camera in C mode without any concerns.


I, almost always, leave it in C mode. For close to 100% of my shooting it works perfectly. This is the only time when it did not. Not too much to quibble about.

Dennis

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Jul 1, 2023 09:35:25   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
What with the RX10 being a Sony, you might find that you can consign a button to implement eye AF.

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Jul 1, 2023 09:43:26   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
R.G. wrote:
What with the RX10 being a Sony, you might find that you can consign a button to implement eye AF.


As far as I know it already does that.

Dennis

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Jul 1, 2023 09:48:15   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
dennis2146 wrote:
As far as I know it already does that.

Dennis



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Jul 1, 2023 10:19:42   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
Shooting at a high frame rate with subjects in a complex situation like this is your friend. My wife has this camera but I don’t recall whether it has the ability to customize the buttons. With my Sony A1, I can customize a button with a specific AF mode associated with that button. For the most part, I set that button for “spot” af and use that button for focusing when your subject is surrounded by clutter like the branches in your photo. Using a wider AF mode, like “wide” or “zone” you camera can get confused on what to focus on which is what has happened here. There should be work arounds, you just need to get a better understanding of the capabilities of your camera. Good luck and have fun. You have a nice little camera there.

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Jul 1, 2023 10:41:49   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Nalu wrote:
Shooting at a high frame rate with subjects in a complex situation like this is your friend. My wife has this camera but I don’t recall whether it has the ability to customize the buttons. With my Sony A1, I can customize a button with a specific AF mode associated with that button. For the most part, I set that button for “spot” af and use that button for focusing when your subject is surrounded by clutter like the branches in your photo. Using a wider AF mode, like “wide” or “zone” you camera can get confused on what to focus on which is what has happened here. There should be work arounds, you just need to get a better understanding of the capabilities of your camera. Good luck and have fun. You have a nice little camera there.
Shooting at a high frame rate with subjects in a c... (show quote)


Thanks for your comments. I appreciate them all. In the case of the Osprey you can see there is ONE tiny as in TINY twig right in front of the bird. There are not, branches. With my first two photos coming out perfectly as to focus I had no reason to believe other photos would not do the same. I have no explanation for why the Sony chose to then focus on the twig when the green focusing square sort of had the bird right in the center for all shots. In two years of owning the Sony it has never happened like this before and might not ever happen again.

Thanks again,

Dennis

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Jul 1, 2023 11:04:30   #
Lastcastmike
 
I’ve used a RX10IV for several years. I’ve had trouble similar to this holding the autofocus button throughout a shooting sequence. Once I get it locked to the right spot, l don’t mess with it again. My autofocus seems to wander if I keep messing with it in situations like these. I use Back Button Focusing by the way. Good luck.

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Jul 1, 2023 11:05:47   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Lastcastmike wrote:
I’ve used a RX10IV for several years. I’ve had trouble similar to this holding the autofocus button throughout a shooting sequence. Once I get it locked to the right spot, l don’t mess with it again. My autofocus seems to wander if I keep messing with it in situations like these. I use Back Button Focusing by the way. Good luck.


Thank you Mike. I also use back button focusing and like it.

Dennis

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Jul 1, 2023 19:14:38   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Yesterday while out taking photographs I saw an Osprey sitting in a tree. He was maybe 30 yards away from me and I took pictures while resting my arms/camera on the window of my truck. Out of a few photos I took, the first two were in sharp focus. The others were completely out of focus. Even though my green focusing box was lighted up when placed on the bird, I could see the photo was not in focus. But there was the focus box saying OK so I took the picture.

When I got home and saw the photos only the first two were in focus. Looking at the other out of focus photos revealed a branch in front of the bird that was in sharp focus. The camera, a Sony RX10IV, had focused on a tiny branch in front of the bird but not the bird itself. I understand that but am not understanding why, when I saw the bird was not in focus and I did move the camera around in a circle to once again get the bird in focus, it did not work.

I suspect this is somewhat of an anomaly but not a happy one for me. I have noticed when doing macro subjects using the 600mm range of the lens that occasionally the same thing happens. The insect is in sharp focus for a couple of shots but not in others when the focusing square seems to be in the same place.

Any ideas or suggestions? This morning I went to a spot metering box to give it a try.

Dennis
Yesterday while out taking photographs I saw an Os... (show quote)


Happens to me often with my Z9. DSLRs not so often.

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