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So Hunter Biden gets Charged....
Jun 20, 2023 10:40:16   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Then pleads out to get probation only....

Just a smoke screen so that the DOJ can claim "Equal Justice for All" as if no-one could see this coming.

Where are the FARA charges and the Money Laundering charges, you know the same crimes that sent Manafort to prison.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/20/politics/hunter-biden/index.html

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Jun 20, 2023 11:03:06   #
Triple G
 
[quote=Blurryeyed]Then pleads out to get probation only....

Just a smoke screen so that the DOJ can claim "Equal Justice for All" as if no-one could see this coming.

Where are the FARA charges and the Money Laundering charges, you know the same crimes that sent Manafort to prison.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/20/politics/hunter-biden/index.html[/quote


https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/5/12/23715711/hunter-biden-investigation-taxes-indictment

I suspect these were the easy ones (clear evidence) to put to rest. More to come due to ongoing investigations.

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Jun 22, 2023 07:13:46   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
Makes no difference. If he had received 40 years or so prison sentence Daddy would just pardon him. Justice for all you know?

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Jun 22, 2023 13:13:50   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Then pleads out to get probation only....

Just a smoke screen so that the DOJ can claim "Equal Justice for All" as if no-one could see this coming.

Where are the FARA charges and the Money Laundering charges, you know the same crimes that sent Manafort to prison.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/20/politics/hunter-biden/index.html


Anybody else that lied on a firearms application would get the full treatment no plea bargains. Just saying. It's not who you know it's who you blow as the old saying goes. In this case it is both.

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Jun 23, 2023 14:13:31   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Makes no difference. If he had received 40 years or so prison sentence Daddy would just pardon him. Justice for all you know?


I don't think that anybody cares about Hunter, the real target is the father and reading through the testimony of the Whistleblowers which have been made public you can get a deeper understanding of not only how corrupt Joe has been but also the FBI and DOJ which have protected him from being exposed for the last several years.

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Jun 23, 2023 14:39:54   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Joe once said that Hunter was the smartest man he knows, is that because he was selling political favors and sending Joe a commission.

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Jun 23, 2023 14:42:28   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
letmedance wrote:
Joe once said that Hunter was the smartest man he knows, is that because he was selling political favors and sending Joe a commission.


Joe lies most every time he opens his mouth, nothing new here, in fact if what Joe says is true then this country is in even deeper trouble that we previously thought.

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Jun 23, 2023 16:42:08   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
One Rude Dawg wrote:
Anybody else that lied on a firearms application would get the full treatment no plea bargains. Just saying. It's not who you know it's who you blow as the old saying goes. In this case it is both.


DAWG — I think you are wrong on this issue.
Prosecution for falsifying firearms transaction data is notoriously low.


”America has had gun control in place and has since 1968. But politics has subverted its purpose. Politics has changed the rules without considering the laws already in place.oo

Firearms dealers have no idea the number of people under the influence of controlled substances trying to purchase a firearm.According to Arizona Department of Health Services, reporting information of those with medical marijuana cards to Law Enforcement is prohibited by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA).
Due to a loophole in the Recreational Marijuana law, those people violating federal law with recreational marijuana use, are not identified, and reported to Law Enforcement and subsequently the FBIs National Information Center (NICS).

Firearms dealers have no idea the number of mental defectives attempting to purchase a firearm.Since an unknown number are mainstreamed into society, and not passed on judicially, their adjudication by a court is not forwarded to NICS.

In addition, there is no desire to prosecute those who lie on the ATF Form 4473. The penalty for lying on the Form 4473 includes fines up to $250,000 and/or ten years of imprisonment.
ATF/DOJ has a history of not pursuing the prosecution of those who lie on the Form 4473. Lying is a small crime, lacks sensationalism and not worth the effort. (I know this from personal experience as a former ATF Agent.)

Stephen Gutowski in the September 29, 2016, issue of the Washington Free Beacon, reported that ”an audit of the federal firearms background check system found that prosecutions for individuals who illegally try to buy a firearm from a dealer had ‘fallen to a new low.’”

Looking from 2008 through 2015, the FBI denied “556,496-gun purchases following background checks. During that time, the report shows that only 254 false statements were even considered for prosecution, amounting to a 0.04 percent prosecution rate.” Prosecutors told Congress that “while the department (of justice) would prosecute particularly egregious false ‘no’ cases arising from NICS denials, it would prioritize prosecuting prohibited persons who actually obtained guns illegally as opposed to those who attempted to purchase a firearm by making false statements during the background process but were unsuccessful.”

[ https://www.wmicentral.com/opinion/gun-control-in-america-no-enforcement-part-iv/article_3b4e2a04-cc09-5650-9fdb-d78cfb7fcc96.html ]



Prosecution of individuals falsifying Form 4473 (“Firearms form”) is historically low, and it appears few prosecutions will be pursued in future. Instead “warning notifications” will be used.

A study by the Government Accounting Office (GAO) revealed:


”In 2017, approximately 25.6 million firearm-related background checks were processed through NICS, and about 181,000 of the attempted purchases at the federal and state levels combined were denied because the individual was prohibited from possessing a firearm under federal or state law. Individuals who certify that they are not prohibited from purchasing or receiving a firearm and are subsequently determined to be prohibited could be subject to investigation, and if prosecuted, a fine, imprisonment, or both.

GAO was asked to examine firearms denials. This report (1) describes the extent to which federal and selected state law enforcement agencies investigate and prosecute firearms denial cases; (2) examines related challenges faced by these agencies; and (3) describes the circumstances that lead to investigations and prosecutions. GAO reviewed laws and regulations; analyzed federal and state data from 2011 through 2017; and interviewed officials from ATF headquarters, 6 of 25 ATF field divisions (the 6 that investigated the most cases), and the 13 states that process all NICS checks within their state. Results from state interviews are not generalizable but provide insights on state practices.

Recommendations:
GAO recommends that ATF assess the extent to which ATF field divisions use warning notifications as an enforcement tool, which would inform whether changes to policy are needed. DOJ concurred with GAO's recommendation.”


A summary “Fact Sheet” issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) for 2022 is here:
https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-facts-and-figures-fiscal-year-2022

It appears the prosecution of H. Biden is not the harshest result, but also not the lowest ‘slap-on-the-wrist’ verbal reprimand that is common.
So NOBODY is particularly happy with the plea deal. Accepting the deal now means most voters will have forgotten (or dismissed) the fact when the election-cycle commences in earnest—helping F-J.Biden.

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Jun 23, 2023 18:27:15   #
btbg
 
Wyantry wrote:
DAWG — I think you are wrong on this issue.
Prosecution for falsifying firearms transaction data is notoriously low.


”America has had gun control in place and has since 1968. But politics has subverted its purpose. Politics has changed the rules without considering the laws already in place.oo

Firearms dealers have no idea the number of people under the influence of controlled substances trying to purchase a firearm.According to Arizona Department of Health Services, reporting information of those with medical marijuana cards to Law Enforcement is prohibited by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA).
Due to a loophole in the Recreational Marijuana law, those people violating federal law with recreational marijuana use, are not identified, and reported to Law Enforcement and subsequently the FBIs National Information Center (NICS).

Firearms dealers have no idea the number of mental defectives attempting to purchase a firearm.Since an unknown number are mainstreamed into society, and not passed on judicially, their adjudication by a court is not forwarded to NICS.

In addition, there is no desire to prosecute those who lie on the ATF Form 4473. The penalty for lying on the Form 4473 includes fines up to $250,000 and/or ten years of imprisonment.
ATF/DOJ has a history of not pursuing the prosecution of those who lie on the Form 4473. Lying is a small crime, lacks sensationalism and not worth the effort. (I know this from personal experience as a former ATF Agent.)

Stephen Gutowski in the September 29, 2016, issue of the Washington Free Beacon, reported that ”an audit of the federal firearms background check system found that prosecutions for individuals who illegally try to buy a firearm from a dealer had ‘fallen to a new low.’”

Looking from 2008 through 2015, the FBI denied “556,496-gun purchases following background checks. During that time, the report shows that only 254 false statements were even considered for prosecution, amounting to a 0.04 percent prosecution rate.” Prosecutors told Congress that “while the department (of justice) would prosecute particularly egregious false ‘no’ cases arising from NICS denials, it would prioritize prosecuting prohibited persons who actually obtained guns illegally as opposed to those who attempted to purchase a firearm by making false statements during the background process but were unsuccessful.”

[ https://www.wmicentral.com/opinion/gun-control-in-america-no-enforcement-part-iv/article_3b4e2a04-cc09-5650-9fdb-d78cfb7fcc96.html ]



Prosecution of individuals falsifying Form 4473 (“Firearms form”) is historically low, and it appears few prosecutions will be pursued in future. Instead “warning notifications” will be used.

A study by the Government Accounting Office (GAO) revealed:


”In 2017, approximately 25.6 million firearm-related background checks were processed through NICS, and about 181,000 of the attempted purchases at the federal and state levels combined were denied because the individual was prohibited from possessing a firearm under federal or state law. Individuals who certify that they are not prohibited from purchasing or receiving a firearm and are subsequently determined to be prohibited could be subject to investigation, and if prosecuted, a fine, imprisonment, or both.

GAO was asked to examine firearms denials. This report (1) describes the extent to which federal and selected state law enforcement agencies investigate and prosecute firearms denial cases; (2) examines related challenges faced by these agencies; and (3) describes the circumstances that lead to investigations and prosecutions. GAO reviewed laws and regulations; analyzed federal and state data from 2011 through 2017; and interviewed officials from ATF headquarters, 6 of 25 ATF field divisions (the 6 that investigated the most cases), and the 13 states that process all NICS checks within their state. Results from state interviews are not generalizable but provide insights on state practices.

Recommendations:
GAO recommends that ATF assess the extent to which ATF field divisions use warning notifications as an enforcement tool, which would inform whether changes to policy are needed. DOJ concurred with GAO's recommendation.”


A summary “Fact Sheet” issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) for 2022 is here:
https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-facts-and-figures-fiscal-year-2022

It appears the prosecution of H. Biden is not the harshest result, but also not the lowest ‘slap-on-the-wrist’ verbal reprimand that is common.
So NOBODY is particularly happy with the plea deal. Accepting the deal now means most voters will have forgotten (or dismissed) the fact when the election-cycle commences in earnest—helping F-J.Biden.
b DAWG — I think you are wrong on this issue. b... (show quote)


You would be right about the gun portion of the charges except he brandished the weapon in a threatening manner. Those people who do that may or may not be charged, but are not normally allowed to plea to a diversion program, which is what he's doing.

Where Biden is not getting treated the same as the rest of the public is regarding the rest of the case. Remember Manaford's primary crime was not registering as a foreign lobbyist and money laundering. Biden didn't register either, and has far more provable money laundering as all of the income that he failed to pay taxes on went though shell corporations.

On top of that the whistle blowers from yesterday show that the IRS, FBI and DOJ knew that Hunter committed far more crimes than what he is being charged with and stonewalled the investigation and attempts to indict. That portion of the story is far worse than what Hunter did or did not do.

It appears that they went so far as to tell Hunter's lawyer before they searched sites for proof of wrongdoing, giving the attorney time to move the proof, whether he did or not. It also appears that they refused to allow at least one search warrant and never bothered to even ask about some things. For example Hunter's attorney says that the FBI never even asked him about any content on the laptop.

The corruption and coverup in our justice system is far worse than the initial crimes.

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