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Jun 18, 2023 22:52:43   #
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RodeoMan wrote:
I don't know if its the case these days, but at one time if you read across "the literature" on how to obtain the best photographs possible, the one "rule" universally given was use a tripod.
Yes, it really *was* universal, once upon a time, looooong long ago, in a universe far far awaaaaay .......


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Jun 18, 2023 23:39:44   #
plumbbob1
 
OK, I'm a most of the time tripod person, but some times it's better not to have one. Like today.
Today I was scrambling along a breakoff ledge photographing petroglyphs. Several times I thought a tripod would be great for a few of the outstanding petroglyphs but no way to have a free hand to carry it, and it was back at the ATV at the base of the mountain.
So, I ran up the ISO, souped up the shutter and got very acceptable shots.
Of course internal stab. helped.
Point is, sometimes technology has to be put aside for good judgement.

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Jun 19, 2023 00:06:27   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
11 years ago I was in DC. I'd read somewhere that tripods were frowned upon there. Read a pamphlet/book/article titled "The World is Your Tripod" and simply found spots to place the camera, set the timer and such, and let it do it's work. Since then I still use a tripod, but rarely in the field, I've just gotten in the habit of doing things differently. I shoot panos hand held with no appreciable problems (rotating my core on a swivel and bracing steady-Eddie). I go after birdies alot and sports/action...those tasks take up much of my shooting time, but, of course, there are those times I'll use the prop. Here're a couple from the DC foray: Abe was a quarter of a second exposure with the camera (D800) on the floor with my key ring providing the front elevation (check the dirt on his knee) and the Korea Memorial was a 10 second exposure at f10 from an adjacent pedestal...


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Jun 19, 2023 00:58:14   #
jcboy3
 
Mac wrote:
With IBIS are tripods still necessary? Especially when using a smaller, lighter lens like a prime? I understand that with some types of photography (and lenses) tripods are needed, but has IBIS made them redundant in others?


IBIS has made tripods redundant in some cases. But for some types of photography, tripods are needed.

I use a tripod for really long exposures, for precise panoramas, when I'm waiting a long time for an animal to move, when I'm shooting in awkward positions (very low, very high), when I'm using heavy lenses, when I want multiple shots in the same position, when doing astro-tracking, when doing some time-lapse (might be using a slider with or without the tripod), when doing some video, when shooting some macro. Sometimes I use a monopod instead of a tripod; sometimes the monopod has legs.

But, you only need a tripod if you need a tripod for what you shoot.

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Jun 19, 2023 02:34:27   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
anotherview wrote:
As well, try mirror lockup. Put a bubble level in the hot-shoe mount. After triggering the shutter by remote action, note the slight movement in the bubble fluid. Mirror slap causes it.

Then actuate the shutter for the second time. No mechanical action happens.

As a result, the exposure contains no blur.

Suspending a sand bag from the center of the tripod eliminates the miniscule vibration from sources such as passing automobiles, the wind, loud carried noises, etc.


What mirror?

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Jun 19, 2023 05:42:04   #
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Delderby wrote:
What mirror?

Geeks with sandbags and bubble levels tend to still have mirrors :-)

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FWIW, hanging a sandbag beneath the center column is far less effective than draping the sandbag onto the camera. Acoarst, the sandbag must be suitably shaped for draping (photo attached).


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Jun 19, 2023 06:15:42   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
As much as I know the tripod considerably helps with stabilization, I very seldom use one. I just take a deep breath and hold it. I sometimes find something to brace my camera on like a parking meter, fence etc.

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Jun 19, 2023 07:37:45   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Desert Gecko wrote:
Good examples of many situations where a tripod is useful. But I can see the other side too, and I agree that a tripod can be a nuisance. That's why I own several.

I keep my main, relatively lightweight tripod in my pickup under the rear seat, so I always have it when I go out. I keep a similar one in the house.

I have a couple of old rock-solid Husky tripods from the '70s or '80s that weigh more than I do, but they're great for astro, pixel-shift, or any other work where a steady camera is a must.

And for times when I really don't want to lug around a big tripod, I still have two options: a small tabletop (rock-top, fence-top) tripod that fits in my extra lens pouch alongside an extra lens; and my favorite item for many situations, a trekking pole with a ball head.
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Treking pole with ball head is great idea.... for travel etc.. a cane with removable head and small ball head kept in pocket is great option for those that use a cane... Gets you into places where a dedicated monopod or tripod may be prohibited. carry a couple velcro straps and you can always strap cane or trek stick to fence rail or any post to stabilize; A great aid when hiking.

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Jun 19, 2023 09:06:49   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
At this point in my life, if I want the sharpest possible image a tripod is the solution.

Stan

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Jun 19, 2023 09:14:59   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
The question about necessity of a tripod for landscape photog-ing probably indicates it would be asked by those who do not do work for which a tripod is a necessity.

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Jun 19, 2023 09:43:28   #
jimvanells Loc: Augusta, GA
 
I use a Canon R5 with a 24-105 f4 and can shoot water falls at 1/4 second. But, I was taking some night pictures in downtown Greenville, SC and had to throw out 80% if my shots. They were destined for display and most were not sharp. I went a two weeks later and reshot the entire spread with a tripod. Lesson learned.

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Jun 19, 2023 10:02:35   #
philo Loc: philo, ca
 
I try to use a tri or mono when ever i can. I forces me to take more time and wait for a better moment. One thing is never set up your tripod when you first get to the site. Pick your site and then set it up. If you set it up right i may become an anchor.

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Jun 19, 2023 10:59:25   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
Mac wrote:
So like I said in my original post, sometime they are needed.
I am going out next week to do some landscape/seascape photography and will be taking a tripod so I can take both mounted and handheld to see for myself. I am just wanting to see what others think in advance.
Thank you for your response.


Monopods can be very helpful and aren't as much to deal with. I use one often with a strap around my neck to give additional support and control. A goid versatile head helps as well.

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Jun 19, 2023 11:06:06   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
Philo, speed is sometimes a critical factor in everyday life, including photography--but failure to take our time may be the biggest threat to doing our best. When I see a fine print, I can't see the time it took (shooting and then printing), but when a picture is not so fine, I can definitely see where more time would have helped. Time itself can be considered an important tool.

I truly appreciate the portrait skill to make many portraits in an hour, but even so, the mass-produced methods (while giving good, reliable product) is most criticized for "all look the same"--while being praised for the very same thing. I also appreciate the journalist skill and the action-skill to grab shots at the decisive moment. But by and large, landscapes and architectural views are not going anywhere, so we can take as much time with it as we need. One reason the old large format photographers could produce fine art (apart from being good) was that the art form demanded slow, careful work. Seeing things upside down and sideways, and using a magnifier to examine details, made people be careful and double-check things. Time is a challenge for all good things, even life itself. An artistic life can be a race where the slowest one wins.

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Jun 19, 2023 11:12:56   #
gwilliams6
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Unless you are gathering statistics for a tripod manufacturing company or their distributors and retailers, finding out what everyone else thinks or does seem irrelevant to the question. This is because YOU have to analyze YOUR situation and come to the conclusion that is best suited to your requirements, shootg conditions, techniques, and physical condition. And, of course, the quality YOU want or need to achieve.

Here are some suggestions as to QUESTIONS you should ask YOURSELF. On the other side of this questionnaire, you will have the solution.

IBIS- Do you know the slow shutter speed limit of your IBIS system and will you have the frequent occasion to exceed that limit? These limits are dependent on the shutter speed and focal lengh in use.

GET A GRIP- If you do not pack a tripod are you familiar with improvised and effective camer holding and buffering techniques as well as the use of existing stationary objects such as trees, logs, fence posts, large rocks, buildings, and other structures, etc? In havinge to use this improvisation, will the limit yo a variety of came angles, various unique points of view, and good control over compositions?

TIME- Do you have a frequent need to make old-fashioned time exposures to enable nighttime effects like ligh streams from moving vehicles (sometimes called spaghetti), capture multipl bursts of fireworks, gettg those star patterns on point light sources lkie streetlamps at small apertures, etc.?

IQ and MORE- Do you want to be able to employ slow shutter speeds to enable smaller aperture settgs for greater depth of field and/or the lowest possible IOS settg to eliminate as much noise as you can to accommodate very large prints or exhibiting screens?

FOCAL LENGTH. Whe shootg landscapes with a wide-angle or normal lens, do you have occasion to zoom in or change to a longer lens for detailed images or changes of perceived perspectives?

COMPOSITION. When hand-holding a camera, can you fully concentrate on critical elements of composition and framing all the adjustments, variations bracketing, and observation by "chimping' if the came was firmly held in place?

SCHLEPPING- Not a strictly photograhic term but one of Yiddish origin meaning to proceed or move especially slowly, tediously, awkwardly, or carelessly and often applied to dragging about heavy or bulkey objects.
The question is how much can YOU SHELP and whether the burden is worth the effort and if it will enhance or impede your performance, creativity, find unique or difficult viewpoints (camer position), etc.

WEIGHT- If you somehow decide you need a tripod but your tripod is extremely heavy and unwieldy you might consider changing it up for a new one. It is a fact tath WEIGHT is not also the most important factor in stability. A well-engineered tripod, as to its geometry and construction, will out-stabilize one made of cast iron and weighed down with lead that is of an inferior design geometrically and physically (as in physics). I will attach a link to a great article on tripod selection. There are many current models made of carbon fiber and lighter metallic alloys that are light and stable. The article also discusses the issues of LOAD, balance, camera, and lens weight and types, height, center columns, legs, locking mechanisms, and of course, different kinds of heads.

ALTERNATIVES- Monopods, shoulder braces, vario grips, belt pods, gunstock mounts, or a pack animal or strong assistant to lug all your tripods. Animals (horses, camels, burros elephants, ) are great companions on long shoots- young assistants- sometimes, not so much!

http://blog.reallyrightstuff.com/choosing-a-tripod-part-1/
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I totally agree:

1) Not making this shot without a tripod or resting the camera on a steady platform. A three-minute exposure of part of the nighttime Las Vegas strip, Nevada, USA with the light streaks of the car headlights and taillights.
Sony A7RIV, Sigma Art 24-70mm f2.8 DG DN lens, 24mm, ISO 50, f8, 180 seconds exposure, with a K&F VND/CPL filter.

2) Not making this shot without a tripod or resting the camera on a steady platform . A 20 second single exposure of the moment when daylight overtakes the night sky with the Milky Way and a streaking Space Station over famed Monument Valley, scene of numerous movies, TV shows, commercials, Navajo Lands, Arizona/Utah border USA. Sony A7RIV, Sony 24mm f1.4 GM lens, 24mm, ISO 100, f1.4, 20 seconds.


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