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Jun 10, 2023 18:08:11   #
TomHackett Loc: Kingston, New York
 
13 wrote:
It's that same with patents. Just make a small change and you're ok. Too bad, that's the way it is nowadays.


Sorry, but it isn't the same with patents. If you had invented a solution that turns red when it contacts urushiol (the rash-causing chemical in poison ivy, oak and sumac), you could have patented it.

Suppose, then, that I invented a cloth that is impregnated with your solution. I could have patented the idea of impregnating the cloth with your solution and rubbing it on poison ivy. But if I created such a cloth, I would be infringing on your patent and would have to purchase your solution (or get your permission--usually by paying a royalty--to make it). Yes, anyone else who impregnated a cloth with your solution and did not get my permission (and yours) would be infringing on both patents.

No matter how significant the improvement I make on your patent, I cannot patent the result de novo. I can patent only my improvement.

With copyright, if I create an image by significantly modifying yours, I can copyright my image in its entirety. It is not so with patents. Also, by the way, copyrights persist for something like seventy-five years after the death of the creator. They are intended to protect the effort and skill of the creator. Patents persist for something like nineteen years after the patent application is filed. Patents are intended as an incentive to the inventor to publish their invention (patent applications, with all their detail, are public) by protecting the inventor's effort and skill of the inventor.

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Jun 10, 2023 20:06:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bdk wrote:
When I take a pic, I own it. Copyright law says its mine. To further prove its mine i put the C symbol and my name on the pic. To further prove ownership I can record it with the copyright office.
A few years ago, a guy took a copyrighted image. Then made changes to the image and claimed it as his own.
It went to court and the original owner lost , the court said it was a new image once edited.
Now look at the image with this message.
It is an AI created image. Copyright law is still being written I believe for these AI images.
so I took the original image, I made a few changes, and by the case mentioned above I should be able to claim it as my image and copyright it.
Whats your thoughts?
When I take a pic, I own it. Copyright law says i... (show quote)


Like a book or paper being written using other sources. You must give credit to the materials being used to create the image.
PS putting copyright symbol and name on photo only makes it look cheap and crappy and can quickly be photoshopped out or parts used to create an AI image by someone else.

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Jun 10, 2023 21:35:57   #
Chappy1101 Loc: Glenview, IL
 
bdk wrote:
When I take a pic, I own it. Copyright law says its mine. To further prove its mine i put the C symbol and my name on the pic. To further prove ownership I can record it with the copyright office.
A few years ago, a guy took a copyrighted image. Then made changes to the image and claimed it as his own.
It went to court and the original owner lost , the court said it was a new image once edited.
Now look at the image with this message.
It is an AI created image. Copyright law is still being written I believe for these AI images.
so I took the original image, I made a few changes, and by the case mentioned above I should be able to claim it as my image and copyright it.
Whats your thoughts?
When I take a pic, I own it. Copyright law says i... (show quote)

Adding to the comments of others, not that simple. If you all have not read or followed it, here is recent Supreme Court ruling that decided against Andy Warhol on his rights to a changed photo of Prince by the original photographer. Copyright was upheld!
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/18/1176881182/supreme-court-sides-against-andy-warhol-foundation-in-copyright-infringement-cas

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Jun 11, 2023 08:59:10   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Oh, what a tangled web we weave when we get involved with photographic copyrights. It's a bottomless pit.

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Jun 11, 2023 13:40:39   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
If concerned about the change you made File it.

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Jun 11, 2023 14:26:22   #
Joecosentino Loc: Whitesboro, New York
 
Retired CPO wrote:
The AI apparently doesn't entirely understand water dynamics. The right most waterfall doesn't look like it has a water source, it appears from nowhere! I realize "photo AI" isn't a perfect science yet.


when you look at 90% of these generated images they really are next to useless. the middle waterfall in this project has a line where it looks like a photo was poorly composited into it. I have seen office chairs with extra legs where the wheels don't touch the floor, Drink glasses where the rim does not match up around the top of the glass. chairs with one armrest. this will all go the way of NFTs. 2 years ago we all needed to buy crypto, last year we all needed to make NFTs and this year its so-called AI. as far as the image submitted I wouldn't want to copyright it under my name. Just my 2 cents

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Jun 11, 2023 14:31:57   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Joecosentino wrote:
when you look at 90% of these generated images they really are next to useless. the middle waterfall in this project has a line where it looks like a photo was poorly composited into it. I have seen office chairs with extra legs where the wheels don't touch the floor, Drink glasses where the rim does not match up around the top of the glass. chairs with one armrest. this will all go the way of NFTs. 2 years ago we all needed to buy crypto, last year we all needed to make NFTs and this year its so-called AI. as far as the image submitted I wouldn't want to copyright it under my name. Just my 2 cents
when you look at 90% of these generated images the... (show quote)


AI image generation is bound to get better, and it isn't just going away. Of the ones I've seen here, there are a lot fewer than 90% that have those kind of problems.

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Jun 11, 2023 15:36:33   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
If you work hard to produce a photo, you should not be afraid to place your name upon it. However, if it is a junk photo I don’t want anyone laughing at my “inability”

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Jun 11, 2023 15:49:29   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
I remember a case a short while ago. With everyone having cellphones, one person decided to create a New York City Subway Map for cellphones. The current maps are too small or the print is very blurry. He ended up with a messy battle of intellectual property. MTA claimed he had no authority to improve the existing map and increase the font size of the print. He lost in part because the attorney for the plaintiff proved that embellishing their work was a violation of copyright.

PS I can never find a decent subway map except in a rain car

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Jun 11, 2023 15:50:46   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The AI manufacturers employ users as unpaid Beta testers of their product.
JohnSwanda wrote:
AI image generation is bound to get better, and it isn't just going away. Of the ones I've seen here, there are a lot fewer than 90% that have those kind of problems.

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Jun 11, 2023 18:04:48   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Scruples wrote:
I remember a case a short while ago. With everyone having cellphones, one person decided to create a New York City Subway Map for cellphones. The current maps are too small or the print is very blurry. He ended up with a messy battle of intellectual property. MTA claimed he had no authority to improve the existing map and increase the font size of the print. He lost in part because the attorney for the plaintiff proved that embellishing their work was a violation of copyright.

PS I can never find a decent subway map except in a rain car
I remember a case a short while ago. With everyone... (show quote)
OMG!! What a perfect example of the complete loss of common sense in government. "We're from da guberment and we're here to help ya".

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Jun 11, 2023 19:02:29   #
mikenolan Loc: Lincoln Nebraska
 
anotherview wrote:
The AI manufacturers employ users as unpaid Beta testers of their product.


So does Microsoft, Apple, Oracle.....

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Jun 12, 2023 07:05:28   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
bdk wrote:
When I take a [photo], I own it…


With all the scuttlebutt and pontificating, I’m not sure if anyone actually went to the government website for copyrights, trademarks, etc.

When I was in school, there was no such thing as an Internet or Cell Phone. Now you can’t swing a dead squirrel within hitting them.

www.copyright.gov

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Jun 12, 2023 07:25:50   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Joecosentino wrote:
when you look at 90% of these generated images they really are next to useless. the middle waterfall in this project has a line where it looks like a photo was poorly composited into it. I have seen office chairs with extra legs where the wheels don't touch the floor, Drink glasses where the rim does not match up around the top of the glass. chairs with one armrest. this will all go the way of NFTs. 2 years ago we all needed to buy crypto, last year we all needed to make NFTs and this year its so-called AI. as far as the image submitted I wouldn't want to copyright it under my name. Just my 2 cents
when you look at 90% of these generated images the... (show quote)


These seem to be for, "Hey, look what I just did!" more than real art.

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Jun 12, 2023 12:02:17   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
So, how is AI image generation or modification different from an artist taking inspiration from a photo and creating an interpretive painting from it?

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