'AI' should not even be a controversial subject. 'AI' does not exist, it is a tool.
I'm less worried about what 'we' task AI to do as to what 'they' task it to do. True AI technology is likely to be in the hands of terrorists before it's in the hands of photographers.
kymarto wrote:
I think it depends on what we task AI to do. Isn't the saying that only a fool would give a loaded gun to a child?
You mean like some of the "children" in that square of land between MD and VA?
jlg1000
Loc: Uruguay / South America
It seems like you have strong opinions about the distinction between computer-assisted design (CAD) and computer-created products, as well as the use of AI in various fields such as art and photography. While it's important to recognize that different perspectives exist on these topics, I can provide some information and insights based on current understanding.
Computer-aided design (CAD) refers to the use of computer software to assist in the creation, modification, analysis, or optimization of designs. AutoCAD, as you mentioned, is a widely used CAD software. Over time, CAD has become an integral tool in various industries, including engineering and architecture. It has greatly improved efficiency, accuracy, and productivity in design processes.
When it comes to computer-created products, it depends on how we define "creation." If you mean a computer autonomously generating a design without any human input, then you're correct that such a scenario does not currently exist. However, advancements in machine learning and AI are enabling systems to generate designs or products based on certain parameters, preferences, or examples provided by humans. These systems can assist in the design process, offering suggestions or generating options that humans can refine and modify.
Regarding art, the use of computers and digital tools has undoubtedly expanded artistic possibilities. While traditional art forms like painting or sculpture rely on physical tools, digital art allows for experimentation, manipulation, and exploration through software and computer-assisted techniques. The distinction between traditional and digital art can be subjective, as both involve creative expression and aesthetics. Some artists embrace digital tools, while others prefer traditional mediums. Ultimately, the value and appreciation of art depend on personal taste and interpretation.
In the field of photography, AI-powered algorithms and image processing techniques are utilized to enhance images, automate tasks, or generate new effects. While these algorithms can improve image quality, manipulate objects, or remove unwanted elements, they still rely on human input, programming, and parameters. The term "AI" is often used in marketing to emphasize advanced capabilities, but it's important to understand that current AI systems are designed to assist and augment human decision-making rather than replace it entirely.
Opinions about AI and its role in various domains can differ greatly. Some people embrace and appreciate the advancements AI brings, while others may have concerns about potential consequences or ethical considerations. It's up to individuals to form their own opinions based on their experiences, preferences, and understanding of the technology.
It's worth noting that AI technology continues to evolve, and there may be developments in the future that challenge or expand our current understanding of its capabilities.
Linda From Maine wrote:
Are you promoting junk science, Bill? The sun doesn't move, the earth does 🥸
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I always thought that both were moving...
jlg1000
Loc: Uruguay / South America
mallen1330 wrote:
I always thought that both were moving...
Well... It depends where you choose to put your origin of coordinates.
Sorry, can't help being an Engineer
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jlg1000 wrote:
Well... It depends where you choose to put your origin of coordinates.
Sorry, can't help being an Engineer
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My 7th grade teacher asked the class, "which direction does the earth rotate?", I knew she was looking for an answer like "from east to west". I answered. "it depends on how your look at it." The class laughed.
I was thinking, if you look at the globe from space looking down at the north pole, it rotates counter clock-wise. Looking down from space at the south pole, it rotates clock-wise.
kymarto
Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
mikenolan wrote:
I'm less worried about what 'we' task AI to do as to what 'they' task it to do. True AI technology is likely to be in the hands of terrorists before it's in the hands of photographers.
By 'we' I mean humanity. The fact that terrorists might use it, with the leverage it affords, means that state actors will be constrained to employ it, even if they don't understand enough about it to be reasonably certain of its safety. It's no accident that some of the top scientists who literally created AI as we know it are sounding warnings about the need to establish international agreements.
Rongnongno wrote:
Some here are giving in to the 'AI' controversy', if there is such a thing.
Firstly, let's make a strong distinction between computer assisted design and computer created product.
- The original computer design was AutoCAD, remember that one? It created a wire mesh of objects, humans, whatever, then the mesh was covered by another to finally create an apparent 3D object. It was also decried, especially by engineers. Now they not only adopted it but made it their main tool. Nothing today is created w/o AutoCAD and its successors.
That was/is computer aided design CAD.
- Computer created products simply do not exist. Please do not try to divert this by citing 3D printing (any scale) or robotics. Not one computer today really creates anything the moment a human gives instruction to a computer to give substance to an idea or concept, it is computer aided, like it or not.
The moment a computer decides by itself to create something, eliminating human intervention*, then we will be dealing with AI. This is not the case.
So far, I do not see where the controversy is. It is simply nonsense.
Now, how about art?
What is the difference between using a computer or a paintbrush or whatever tool comes to mind? Well, none. One is clean, the rest not so much. One is 'effortless' the others? Ouch. One can be done anywhere, the others are not that transportable, try moving a couple of ton rock to work with while traveling... A computer on the other hand will help create a model... Not create the final object.
Art as usual and always will be the domain of personal taste, $$$ interest and nothing else.
'AI' in photography?
It is just another tool given a new name because it attracts users toward a revamped set of instruction to remove, add, modify objects in a digital image that is really a capture of electrons to create pixels that in turn, as an array, assembled into an 'image'. There is no 'AI' here, just a more precise, more intuitive program in order to create a better result from an existing array of pixels (the image). Adobe** and other software companies who claim 'AI' are just promoting a fake 'AI'. The real intelligence here is that of the programmers, then of the marketing gurus, who have found yet another way to sell the programmer's work and sell.
Are 'AI creations' photographs? No, same as AutoCAD while they allow to create images these are constructs, today's 'golem'; humans are the (insane) wizards 'master's.
So let's ask again:
- Are AI images art? Yes.
- Are 'AI' images created photographs? No.
- Do you have to like 'AI' or hate it? No.
- Will you like 'AI', hate it, or ignore it? Up to you.
AI is just another freaking tool!!! It is as good or as bad as the human (drone) decides...
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* Human intervention... I already see the tin foil heads fuming and going to interject 'what about'? Every time a computer intervenes in anything, it is due to a programmer work that gave instructions to a computer in specific conditions. There is no 'AI' saying 'I think, therefore I am' or asking 'to be or not to be'.
** Remember 'smart objects'? The greatest since... Well nothing. That marketing line was squashed once it was discovered folks did not like PS CC 'smart object' default when opening a new image... (The default was the real change!!! Smart objects were obscure until then).
Some here are giving in to the 'AI' controversy', ... (
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The claimed definition of AI is that the program can learn.
I agree that most photo soft ware is not AI by the above definition
jlg1000
Loc: Uruguay / South America
cmc4214 wrote:
The claimed definition of AI is that the program can learn.
I agree that most photo soft ware is not AI by the above definition
On the contrary ... Photo software *does learn* from millions or billions of real photos.
Again: all this famous AI photo software, LLM chat boxes, etc. are not pre programmed to give some answer, but are simply unleashed to roam freely the internet to learn by themselves.
I believe you're hiding your head in the sand. Blaming bad AI outcomes on the programmers is an option, but it's wrong. Comparing AI to AutoCAD is like comparing Fugaku(supercomputer) to an Abacus. You can do it if it makes you feel better, but it makes no sense. You may not live long enough to see that you are wrong, but your grandchildren certainly will, as will mine.
mallen1330 wrote:
My 7th grade teacher asked the class, "which direction does the earth rotate?", I knew she was looking for an answer like "from east to west". I answered. "it depends on how your look at it." The class laughed.
I was thinking, if you look at the globe from space looking down at the north pole, it rotates counter clock-wise. Looking down from space at the south pole, it rotates clock-wise.
"Up" is relative, mostly to gravity.
jlg1000
Loc: Uruguay / South America
Rongnongno wrote:
I do not disagree with this.
AI generated image seem to look like art created in the eighties/nineties using airbrushing. (You just made me think of this analogy, right or wrong)
Not always...
Made them yesterday... still not perfect, but improving.
It's just a side project for fun...
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