Gun slinger (Page 2): For emphasis then I will say open the package and “consider its contents”. The original post did not mention any actual interaction ( opening the package ) with...

DaleBrown

For emphasis then I will say open the package and “consider its contents”.
The original post did not mention any actual interaction ( opening the package ) with this gentleman or his daughter. Only to make a judgement of the individual based on his appearance and how he expressed his 2A beliefs and how it related to intimidation.

BebuLamar

DaleBrown wrote:

Standing his ground as well.
If you felt intimidated then that’s on you.
Not sure that this had anything to do with his or his daughter’s looks or personal hygiene either. Would you have felt better if he was as well groomed as you?

You wouldn't even know if that is his daughter.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

I'll say one thing. I'll bet NOBODY gave these two a disapproving or sideways glance.

Dave H2

cahale wrote:

Actually, he was just doing that most human of actions; he was posturing. I have a carry license, but to show that I am carrying would be about the dumbest thing I could do. Display doesn't protect or intimidate; it arouses competitiveness and destroys all the edge of surprise. And by the way, I seldom actually carry a gun while in public; I do keep one in my automobile(s), however.

I carry, with ccw of course, in church! We have recently instituted an armed security team with excellent training, to protect against possible armed intrusion. Yes, seems pretty unlikely, but rather be prepared than not if god forbid anything happened.

RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

jerryc41 wrote:

Whatever you do, don't point and laugh.

And don't say "at least your gun has a big barrel."

Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio

SteveR wrote:

Open carry of handguns became law in Texas in 2021. Interestingly, I haven't seen anybody doing so. My guess is that it's for safety purposes. An exposed handgun can be grabbed by any idiot. If it's hidden, that idiot won't know it's there.

Any holsters I have are like the police holsters. You can't just pluck the gun out of them. You have to hit the release. I personally carry open because I don't want to kill the crackhead who might mistake me for being unarmed. And as the op stated people are more polite and respectful. Which they should be anyway but since social media allows infinite running of the mouth with zero consequences society has seemed to become much ruder than when people spoke face to face only basically. Then if you talked crap you visited the dentist or ER. Now people can talk crap on social media about someone until that person cracks and goes off. Even a man of God poked with a stick long enough will retailiate. Unfortunately children in school are taking a large amount of social bullying.

Flyerace Loc: Mt Pleasant, WI

In Wisconsin, we have open and concealed carry. I agree that open carry shows your defense to "bad guys". Concealed carry requires a moment to get to the weapon for defense.

I have a concealed carry permit. So far, I've not needed to use a gun, except for target practice at my favorite range.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Drbobcameraguy wrote:

Any holsters I have are like the police holsters. ... (show quote)

Polite and respectful? If you mean being avoided like the plague being polite and respectful, I suppose you have a point.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Drbobcameraguy wrote:

Any holsters I have are like the police holsters. ... (show quote)

So are you suggesting that everyone over 18 openly carry a gun and settle disputes with firearms? I was hoping we had progressed a little since the Wild West.

There are a couple of aspects of constantly carrying that aren’t usually mentioned. First, if you’re armed, the inclination is to settle disputes in that manner, rather than just walking away or calling the appropriate authorities. Secondly, the mindset is to constantly live in a state of fear, expecting at any moment that you’ll need to use deadly force, when the fact is that unless you live in a very dangerous environment, the huge majority of us never encounter a situation in our entire life that actually requires a gun. And finally, most people that own and carry guns, unless they’ve served in a combat zone or in law enforcement and have experienced an actual firefight, have not reached the mental perspective where they will shoot without hesitation when their lives are actually threatened, and shoot accurately. No amount of practice on the range prepares you for that moment.

BTW, I am an Army VietNam vet, have owned guns all my life (and still do), have a concealed carry permit, was an NRA member at some point (but not anymore) and have shot competitively both in college and in the military, so I am by no means anti gun, but the thought of everyone carrying all the time I find much scarier than that one in 10 million chance that someone carrying near me is going to stop a bad guy. I do carry in situations that warrant it (but not openly) and I’ve long ago made the decision to shoot if absolutely necessary without hesitation - but I don’t need to “earn respect” by openly carrying a gun.

Here in NC, we are passing legislation to let anyone 18 or over purchase a handgun and carry it concealed, all without any training or a permit - wrongheaded and terrifying in my opinion. OK, I’m ready for the incoming flak…

SteveR Loc: Michigan

TriX wrote:

So are you suggesting that everyone over 18 openly... (show quote)

The scary part of that proposal, trix, is "anyone." I thought, at least, we'd decided to eliminate certain individuals from being eligible to purchase, much less carry handguns.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

SteveR wrote:

The scary part of that proposal, trix, is "anyone." I thought, at least, we'd decided to eliminate certain individuals from being eligible to purchase, much less carry handguns.

Imagine some percentage of high school seniors carrying a concealed handgun with zero training either in the laws concerning the use of deadly force, marksmanship, or safe handling of handguns - what could possibly go wrong?

RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

Drbobcameraguy wrote:

Any holsters I have are like the police holsters. ... (show quote)

DrBob, When some one is talking crap on you, running off at the mouth about you, poking at you with a stick long enough (I presume you mean going on and on about the same matter) the answer isn't as you seem to suggest "retalitation" with a gun. You say that you "...personally carry open because I don't want to kill the crackhead who might mistake me for being unarmed" Has then been a problem for you? Being accosted by crackheads that is. How often has this happened to you? Do people talk "crap on you" or "run off at the mouth" to you on a regular basis.? Do you feel threatened in your daily life? or are you just hoping you will be so you can be ready to meet that possibility?

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

df61743 wrote:

Well I certainly hope he intimidates anyone who might be thinking about shooting an innocent bystander or otherwise victimizing some poor old woman or something.

How do you know a stranger wouldn't do those things himself?

Dalek Loc: Detroit, Miami, Goffstown

cahale wrote:

Actually, he was just doing that most human of actions; he was posturing. I have a carry license, but to show that I am carrying would be about the dumbest thing I could do. Display doesn't protect or intimidate; it arouses competitiveness and destroys all the edge of surprise. And by the way, I seldom actually carry a gun while in public; I do keep one in my automobile(s), however.

agree

Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC

The Art of War by Sun Tzu...
It's a good read...
"Know how to deceive the enemy: appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak..."

Thank you TriX for your contribution in this thread... I for one appreciate your communication skills and the timely wisdom your bring to the table.

Albeit there is yet to be found a solution to a paradox which as existed since the emergency of Homo sapiens (Latin: “wise man”) the species to which all modern human beings belong. Homo sapiens is one of several species grouped into the genus Homo, but it is the only one that is not extinct. (yet)

However for those who have studies evolution they will soon realize that just before a species becomes extinct it begins to manifest an extremely high level of aberrancy. Through eons of time when resources become scarce i.e. insufficient for the demand, population control will typically take place... the more scarce? Typically the more dramatic are the measures of population control... i.e. War

Some things never change...
Perhaps the the gentleman in question here might benefit from psychotherapy to address potential suicide ideations i.e. thoughts about death with well-established plans for how to end his or her own life. Sadly, if this kind of thought process persists, such a person becomes an increased risk to not only themself but also to society in the form of mass shootings.

Are the proliferation of tools of deadly force an ideal solution?
Or a bulwark to bastion an individuals internal trepidation of becoming a "victim" of a mass shooting?

I've noticed an alarming frequency of Pontification i.e. expresses opinions or judgments in this thread. It's less of an objective process and more of a static delivery mechanism for information each UHH member (the messenger) has deemed valuable. It is often dogmatic (even when it's friendly) and it favors what matters to the speaker over what matters to the audience. Pontification always will center on the speaker.

Hope this makes sense...
Wishing each and everyone here a joyful and safe Memorial Day with many many happy returns...
Cheers! Thomas