image or digital art?
May 19, 2023 10:13:58 #
Longshadow wrote:
I react to an image for how I see it. The final product.
I don't concern myself with what (and to what extent) editor, what camera, what lens, .....
Just the resultant image.
I react to an image for how I see it. The final product.
I don't concern myself with what (and to what extent) editor, what camera, what lens, .....
Just the resultant image.
That is how nearly everyone but camera club contest judges sees images! But contests have to have "rules" to satisfy some organizational goal.
One of these is a rather bland photograph. But what is the other one? I don't know, I don't care, but I like it. It makes a good poster.
Museum Statue, ©1973, Bill Burkholder
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Museum Statue, ©1973, ©2021 Bill Burkholder
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May 19, 2023 10:15:01 #
BigDaddy wrote:
Exactly. br However, i those that think picture... (show quote)
If one is asked what processing was done and lies about it, that's one thing. Presenting a photograph without comment is not dishonest. If an artist wants to divulge his techniques that's fine. But he is not required to. Some artists want to keep their techniques to themselves.
May 19, 2023 10:26:43 #
Longshadow wrote:
If we weren't supposed to edit, they wouldn't make editors.
May 19, 2023 10:26:55 #
BigDaddy wrote:
Yes, or until they lose interest, whichever comes first.
Well, the exception I reckon is the page counters that have no further interest other than complaining how many pages of interest there are... yet, they continue to post their complaints...
My simple recommendation to them is to not follow a thread that you have no interest in, or lost interest in.
Like Yogi says "No one goes there nowadays, it’s too crowded."
Well, the exception I reckon is the page counters that have no further interest other than complaining how many pages of interest there are... yet, they continue to post their complaints...
My simple recommendation to them is to not follow a thread that you have no interest in, or lost interest in.
Like Yogi says "No one goes there nowadays, it’s too crowded."
May 19, 2023 10:27:25 #
JohnSwanda wrote:
If one is asked what processing was done and lies about it, that's one thing. Presenting a photograph without comment is not dishonest. If an artist wants to divulge his techniques that's fine. But he is not required to. Some artists want to keep their techniques to themselves.
May 19, 2023 10:29:00 #
May 19, 2023 10:29:31 #
burkphoto wrote:
That is how nearly everyone but camera club contest judges sees images! But contests have to have "rules" to satisfy some organizational goal.
One of these is a rather bland photograph. But what is the other one? I don't know, I don't care, but I like it. It makes a good poster.
One of these is a rather bland photograph. But what is the other one? I don't know, I don't care, but I like it. It makes a good poster.
Contests are quite different, there are stated rules involved.
Their choice.
May 19, 2023 10:33:48 #
BigDaddy wrote:
Exactly. br However, i those that think picture... (show quote)
Even so-called SOOC is an edited image, manipulated greatly by the jpeg algorithms/compression of your camera's processor.
Raw files contain all the image data your camera's sensor and lens can capture , but even raw files need to be at least minimally processed to bring out all that data.
So yes technically all final digital images are manipulated.
But what we do further with AI in the initial creation of the image; or what we do in advanced post processing by adding, removing or significantly changing the image data is really what we are talking about and discussing here.
Cheers and best to you all.
May 19, 2023 10:44:01 #
Fotoartist wrote:
14 pages and almost everyone missed the real point... (show quote)
I get your point but, as far as AI goes, I don't think it's just telling a computer verbally to create a picture using a pretty gal and a waterfall. When you can draw a selection around an object, and tell the computer to remove it and inpaint the space so it looks like it was never there, that I believe is also AI. I think a lot of editing tools today use AI to manipulate photo's, relying on AI to figure out all the details. I like it, yet it irks me that what took me a lot of time and effort to learn can today often be done by anyone with a few clicks of the mouse...
I reckon it's much like a photographer that spends lots of cash/time on props and lighting and so on and most of that can be done on minutes and for free with a modern editor. The answer I think is enjoy the process, whatever it is. I myself rarely spend a lot of time on pre-process but when I do, I've enjoyed it. I, unlike many here enjoy using my computer to change backgrounds, sky, enhance colors and remove objects I don't want, even putting my daughters lips on her cat...
I think all pro photographers MUST know how to edit in post just as much as how to use a camera and set up the photo's. I'd say however that if ALL you care about it selling photo's, then AI or no AI makes not a lick of difference. If you enjoy using your camera and using your editor on those pictures, then AI created photo are not going to cut it.
May 19, 2023 11:10:42 #
May 19, 2023 11:39:18 #
imagextrordinair
Loc: Halden, Norway
Photoshop skills can take years to master and are necessary for producing income. Look at social media today and the skill set of the selfie-generation... the new world thrives on fantasy, AI, and manipulated content.
Museums will be created for those wanting to worship snapshots from their long defunct mirror-less past. These purists will weep when distant foggy memories are re-hearkened with similar shoot- and- post social media masterpieces put on display in all their pixel glory...
A camera is not capable of producing anything close to the dynamic range of a human eye... Ansel Adams knew that and spent a lot of time in the darkroom manipulating his B&W images because of that known fact
Museums will be created for those wanting to worship snapshots from their long defunct mirror-less past. These purists will weep when distant foggy memories are re-hearkened with similar shoot- and- post social media masterpieces put on display in all their pixel glory...
A camera is not capable of producing anything close to the dynamic range of a human eye... Ansel Adams knew that and spent a lot of time in the darkroom manipulating his B&W images because of that known fact
May 19, 2023 12:13:39 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
A real photographer like Ansel Adams hiked all the way into those mountains and took one perfect shot and hiked home to glory.
Or:....: "hiked home to the glory of the darkroom for PP"
May 19, 2023 12:14:12 #
Fotoartist wrote:
And talk about diversions, photography is art. That question has already been settled in the philosophical realm. Whether it is good art or bad art, it is still art.
And talk about diversions, photography is art. That question has already been settled in the philosophical realm. Whether it is good art or bad art, it is still art.
Photography is craft, not art. Only rarely does photography rise to the level of art. Ferchrisakes, just look at the Gallery! (And BTW, WTF is a "philosophical realm"? The mushroom one?)
May 19, 2023 12:21:41 #
burkphoto wrote:
So long as the photographer/artist reveals what was done to achieve the results, I think it's fine. Competitions should just update their entry rules to accommodate or restrict entries according to the preferences of the sponsoring body.
May 19, 2023 13:01:08 #
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