image or digital art?
May 17, 2023 09:17:08 #
burkphoto wrote:
So long as the photographer/artist reveals what was done to achieve the results, I think it's fine. Competitions should just update their entry rules to accommodate or restrict entries according to the preferences of the sponsoring body.
May 17, 2023 09:22:46 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
The surest way to corrupt a novice is to explain the importance of SOOC.
May 17, 2023 09:24:32 #
AzPicLady wrote:
I think the issue is now (and always has been) the... (show quote)
The only people who denigrate getting right in the camera are those who can’t.
May 17, 2023 09:26:20 #
May 17, 2023 09:51:32 #
Mac wrote:
The only people who denigrate getting right in the camera are those who can’t.
Do you mean those who are not obsessed by SOOC?
May 17, 2023 10:00:37 #
Cragzop wrote:
This started out as a photograph of Michelangelo‘a Pieta. It was created using AI.
Is this “cheating?”
Is it still a photo or digital art?
Is this “cheating?”
Is it still a photo or digital art?
In my book it's digital art. And very pretty.
May 17, 2023 10:01:32 #
mindzye
Loc: WV
AzPicLady wrote:
I think the issue is now (and always has been) the... (show quote)
Not a thing wrong with SooC images if what they present when you took them and the intent and feeling is represented. REally no need to qualify with being 'sorry about that'. You have presented some very good images.
This is Your work.
I've been fortunate enough to have a few images SooC come out as I saw them and wanted ; a whole bunch on the other hand needed scrapped, or brought to life - ok, resurrected - w/ processing.
In other images I've seen something that took awhile to develop, and then worked them to bring out what I 'saw' in the image that was there all along; it simply needed noticed. These images would not have developed without post processing. Shooting raw/ manual most of the time, post processing is necessary to whatever degree one chooses.
Again, disingenuous, fake? or an image maker, with a photograph as the starting point?
There are images where the real story is inside - a picture within a picture - and needs cropping.
Or a pole removed to improve; disingenuous? or simply making over an image to improve visual quality? It really is the call of the photographer/ artist.
Agreed photojournalism is a bit more exacting in it's raw elemental capture/ presentation. And yes getting it right in the camera first should be the primary goal and a well exposed/composed image is a testament to the abilities of the photographer's sight, equipment and proficiency.
With photojournalism and sporting events aside, with maybe levels-brightness, a bit of contrast, isn't it a rush to be able to 'tweak' an image to get a result that makes one want to look into it a bit further, and to accurately portray the feeling of the captured emotion/mood/event?
A good image - a carefully crafted one - is a springboard to what the seer envisions. It really is in the mind's eye.
May 17, 2023 10:05:35 #
May 17, 2023 10:07:40 #
mindzye wrote:
Not a thing wrong with SooC images if what they pr... (show quote)
I appreciate your comments. Frankly, I'm not opposed to post processing. I do some light work. RAW images are really flat, so contrast has to be added. I struggle with focus, so Topaz has come to my rescue some. Obviously, cropping can help with composition. But I rarely saturate colours. And my main reservation is in the removal or moving of items and particularly in the addition of items!
May 17, 2023 10:08:27 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
The surest way to corrupt a novice is to explain the importance of SOOC.
===============================
May 17, 2023 10:13:03 #
jpwa
Loc: Inland NorthWest
BobSchwabk wrote:
A question for the group.
As I look at on-line posts of images, I see some that obviously been created by adding features that weren’t in the original capture. But with the advent of AI it’s getting harder. With all the editing software out there, many adding features for enhancing an image, I’m curious as to your opinions as to when an image transitions from a photo into the realm of “digital art”. What will be the impact on competitions?
As I look at on-line posts of images, I see some that obviously been created by adding features that weren’t in the original capture. But with the advent of AI it’s getting harder. With all the editing software out there, many adding features for enhancing an image, I’m curious as to your opinions as to when an image transitions from a photo into the realm of “digital art”. What will be the impact on competitions?
All photos are digital art these days unless you are still using film
May 17, 2023 10:14:31 #
The camera is just a sketchbook, to be finished later in PhotoShop, especially on the JPEGs from the scanned film.
May 17, 2023 10:16:31 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
The grass is always greener when you process with PhotoShop.
Or shoot with a Sony....
May 17, 2023 10:19:41 #
jpwa wrote:
All photos are digital art these days unless you are still using film
--------
Jpwa
With all due respect, I've been following this thread for a while and just had to chime in..
You are correct. All digital images, including photography, are a form of art but that's not the question at hand
The question at hand is, is the digital image manipulated to the point where it goes beyond photography and becomes digital art in a form that does not render what looks like the original scene was but comment in fact renders a fantasy that only resides in the head of the creator, who just might have been, the original photographer.
As a photographer of 60 years come I understand the controversy. I understand the works of Ansel Adams. I understand double exposures were originally created in the late 1800s. And I understand that there is a new frontier called digital photography.
But the question is, when does the original image change from or morph from what was originally seen by the original viewer, and gets changed into something which is a fantasy and does not, in any way, represent the original scene...
They're inlies the true question of this thread.
Cheers
Goldstar46
###
May 17, 2023 10:20:32 #
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.