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May 7, 2023 10:30:05   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The usual push back from folks who are just not paying attention and love GES.

It's from those of us who understand the topic much better than you do.

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May 8, 2023 09:50:34   #
old poet
 
According to scientist and photographer Dr. Roger Clark, the resolution of the human eye is 576 megapixels.

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May 8, 2023 10:47:56   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
CHG_CANON, the human appendix is useless to everyone except the surgeons that make their fortunes removing them.😜 I think the surgeon that removed mine bought a new boat with the money he received.

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May 8, 2023 12:08:03   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Many folks on this form came to photography via computer technology or are photographers who have a long-standing knowledge of digital technology. I have to admit that I am a "Jonny-Come-Lately" to some of the deep dives into "pixel-peeping" and related science. Not good for me, a commercial photographer who deals with commercial printers and lithographic reproduction of his work on just about every job.

Back in the olden days, it was easier- you needed a print so I put the negative or transparency in an enlarger, and voila! Well, I did have a color lab and a fully equipped darkroom in-house Or, the client or printer would require a certain size of color transparency and that was that- I had every size available from 35mm to 8x10. I would ship the transparencies of the color separation/pre-press folks or the lithographers and be done with it. I'd collect the "tear sheets" and they were always satisfactory to outstanding as to color and resolution, that is unless the client went cheap and bought low-end printing, coarse screes, lousy paper, and ink combinations- I would complain that I delivered top-quality transparency and they print it on "toilet paper"!

All of a sudden- do I have to become a digital scientist and an ophthalmologist and worry about the resolution of the human eye? My approach, as I learned the new ropes is simple- I just do what I am told! The client or printer will tell me their requirements as to size and the DPI requirements and I edit accordingly. I have never had an issue with a lithography printing house, an outsourced printing lab, or anyone else in the "food chain" of image reproduction. I make prints, in-house, up to 30x40 inches. I outsource photomurals and larger display prints. I supply files to lithographic and Xerographic commercial printers. I just keep things calibrated and follow their specifications.

Here's a link to a site that has to do with printing on fabrics, etc- sorry for their ads, but the is a great basic explanation of the terminology and relevance of these technicalities. I am sure some here will take issue with this but it works for me- every day!

https://www.printful.com/ca/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-to-prepare-the-perfect-printfile#:~:text=File%20resolution%20recommendations%3A%20For%20most%20products%2C%20your%20print,check%20File%20guidelines%20when%20choosing%20your%20next%20product.

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May 8, 2023 12:37:39   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
This post should be deleted as misleading gibberish. There is not one single dot anywhere inside of any pixel-based images. Because if there were, you could very easily answer the basic question: how many pixels are in a dot? DPI is nothing more than a text-based "tag" added to pixel based images, for historical reasons, like the equally useless human appendix. It can have any whole-number value greater than zero. It impacts the image just the same as the file name, as is: none. It's just a text value, unrelated to any technical aspect of the image.
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ditto

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May 8, 2023 13:15:32   #
JimGray Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You're right, one is a human-calculated value based on the specifics of one unique pixel-based image file and the measurement of the target print size. The other is a magic, non-zero, piece of text.

Human Calculated - there is no PPI value in an image file. Look up, down, left, right, back, front, anywhere within the file. PPI (pixels per inch) is a calculated value and relates simply to the print resolution. How many pixels on one side of the image divided by the print size expressed in inches, hence pixels per inch. PPI is relevant for printed images, irrelevant for image display. And, 'ppi' can be determined only when you know the intended print size, not before.

As a human-calculated value based on the specific pixel resolution of a specific image file and the target print size, PPI is not interchangeable with a random piece of text (DPI) placed as a tag into a file.
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May 8, 2023 14:38:57   #
bkwaters
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
This post should be deleted as misleading gibberish. There is not one single dot anywhere inside of any pixel-based images. Because if there were, you could very easily answer the basic question: how many pixels are in a dot? DPI is nothing more than a text-based "tag" added to pixel based images, for historical reasons, like the equally useless human appendix. It can have any whole-number value greater than zero. It impacts the image just the same as the file name, as is: none. It's just a text value, unrelated to any technical aspect of the image.
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May 8, 2023 15:02:26   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
You all got nothing better to do?

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May 8, 2023 17:06:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JohnR wrote:
You all got nothing better to do?

Better than complaining....

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May 8, 2023 17:37:49   #
AnotherBob
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:


Here's a link to a site that has to do with printing on fabrics, etc- sorry for their ads, but the is a great basic explanation of the terminology and relevance of these technicalities. I am sure some here will take issue with this but it works for me- every day!

https://www.printful.com/ca/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-to-prepare-the-perfect-printfile#:~:text=File%20resolution%20recommendations%3A%20For%20most%20products%2C%20your%20print,check%20File%20guidelines%20when%20choosing%20your%20next%20product.
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Well worth the read. Thank you.

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May 8, 2023 18:22:45   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
OVERLOAD! OVERLOAD!!

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May 8, 2023 18:25:05   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Yes, and that is the issue. "Whatever it needs to spit out" (I really love your choice of words because it really exposes the issue at hand.)

If you do not prepare your image BEFORE printing, you let the printer driver/profile do it for you. Not a great idea if you care about the final print. That is one of my points.

Printers do a decent job, if you control the pixel array BEFORE sending the image to the printer, you also control what the printer needs to do.

The dots printed are where they are supposed to be w/o modification, assuming the printer color space matches the image color space.

As stated: One needs to know what the final product is in order to achieve optimal printing result. This prevents the device used to do "Whatever it needs to spit out".

There is no argument as to the so-called physical size of a pixel, as it is a mathematic formula. The size issue enters only when using a device to display the image. In effect, the device used to view/print used is controlling the pixel array, giving it a physical size. When scanning, this is the reverse, a sensor array has a physical size and so does the individual sensor.

When you look at the image this way, the number of pixels to use when post-processing is determined by the device PPI/DPI array.

This reality is obfuscated by the mantra 'a pixel has no size'.
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Decent works for me

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May 8, 2023 18:28:03   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The usual push back from folks who are just not paying attention and love GES.


Maybe they just love normal

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May 9, 2023 05:08:47   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
davyboy wrote:
Maybe they just love normal


That is fine, as long as they do not try to invalidate what is being said:

SPI, PPI and DPI are relevant when scanning (or taking a picture) and using the capture on a display or a print.

When scanning or capturing an image, the sensor array density relates to the detail captured (sensors too small this may create several issues - too complex for this thread).

When using the image as a final product, the media has physical limitations that (must) be taken into account to produce the best image according to the device used.

If one does not want to take the final product in consideration, that is fine, I have no objection. Just do not come out and type I do not understand anything. They are looking at apples when I speak/type about oranges.

I will question these folks' sanity if they turn around and select cameras in function of their capture size in pixels... If it does not matter, why the heck do they purchase/use expensive cameras when a cheap 8PM camera will do the job?

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May 9, 2023 07:32:24   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Rongnongno wrote:
That is fine, as long as they do not try to invalidate what is being said:

SPI, PPI and DPI are relevant when scanning (or taking a picture) and using the capture on a display or a print.

When scanning or capturing an image, the sensor array density relates to the detail captured (sensors too small this may create several issues - too complex for this thread).

When using the image as a final product, the media has physical limitations that (must) be taken into account to produce the best image according to the device used.

If one does not want to take the final product in consideration, that is fine, I have no objection. Just do not come out and type I do not understand anything. They are looking at apples when I speak/type about oranges.

I will question these folks' sanity if they turn around and select cameras in function of their capture size in pixels... If it does not matter, why the heck do they purchase/use expensive cameras when a cheap 8PM camera will do the job?
That is fine, as long as they do not try to invali... (show quote)


Remind the disbelieving UHH community where you set the "SPI, PPI, DPI" value in your digital camera? Any model or any brand?

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