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Apr 19, 2023 15:04:53   #
ImageCreator Loc: Northern California
 
With the recent update to ACR, Adobe has added an AI Denoise feature. Its easy to use and appears to do a reasonable job. I tried on an obvious noise image shot at ISO 1600 and it worked great.

One negative is that it takes about 15-20 minutes. If you are not using Topaz or some other denoise program, not sure anyone is gonna want to wait that long to process one image. Certainly not me. I'll stick with Topaz.

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Apr 19, 2023 15:16:59   #
DaveJ Loc: NE Missouri
 
ImageCreator wrote:
With the recent update to ACR, Adobe has added an AI Denoise feature. Its easy to use and appears to do a reasonable job. I tried on an obvious noise image shot at ISO 1600 and it worked great.

One negative is that it takes about 15-20 minutes. If you are not using Topaz or some other denoise program, not sure anyone is gonna want to wait that long to process one image. Certainly not me. I'll stick with Topaz.


Took about 20 seconds on each one on the 3 I tried in Lightroom.First look did a good job. I also own Topaz and DXO.

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Apr 19, 2023 15:23:54   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
My Photoshop update had a cardiac arrest. It just flashed the screen. Found a fix online. Had to disable native screen in Preferences.

Tried the denoise and gave up on it also but that was while it was in the above mode. Will give another try.

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Apr 19, 2023 15:38:53   #
Warhorse Loc: SE Michigan
 
ImageCreator wrote:
With the recent update to ACR, Adobe has added an AI Denoise feature. Its easy to use and appears to do a reasonable job. I tried on an obvious noise image shot at ISO 1600 and it worked great.

One negative is that it takes about 15-20 minutes. If you are not using Topaz or some other denoise program, not sure anyone is gonna want to wait that long to process one image. Certainly not me. I'll stick with Topaz.


How much RAM do you have on your computer?

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Apr 19, 2023 15:39:46   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Film has grain. Digital has, an electrical engineering term, noise. I think this is a negative aspect from the start and unfortunate. For those of us who worked with film, grain at higher ISO settings was part of life. Due to the "bad" connotation, the term noise has numerous processing software companies providing us with ways to mitigate this issue. Like grain, it's simply part of the photographic process.
--Bob

ImageCreator wrote:
With the recent update to ACR, Adobe has added an AI Denoise feature. Its easy to use and appears to do a reasonable job. I tried on an obvious noise image shot at ISO 1600 and it worked great.

One negative is that it takes about 15-20 minutes. If you are not using Topaz or some other denoise program, not sure anyone is gonna want to wait that long to process one image. Certainly not me. I'll stick with Topaz.

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Apr 19, 2023 16:01:11   #
gwilliams6
 
Here is one new comparison:
Adobe Noise reduction vs Topaz Denoise AI vs DXO Pure Raw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_8nXWT9fE4

The only issue I have with the shots in this comparison, is that most seem NOT in sharp focus to begin with. They look blurry and/or low resolution to start with. That makes it harder to tell the true differences in denoise program performances.

Cheers all.

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Apr 19, 2023 16:03:56   #
ImageCreator Loc: Northern California
 
Warhorse wrote:
How much RAM do you have on your computer?


16 GB

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Apr 19, 2023 16:13:47   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
rmalarz wrote:
Film has grain. Digital has, an electrical engineering term, noise. I think this is a negative aspect from the start and unfortunate. For those of us who worked with film, grain at higher ISO settings was part of life. Due to the "bad" connotation, the term noise has numerous processing software companies providing us with ways to mitigate this issue. Like grain, it's simply part of the photographic process.
--Bob


Old cars used to be started with hand crank and now we have starters. At one time it was the only only choice or you went nowhere. Thank you but I like the digital choice of grain/noise and opt to keep it or not. I do agree that with all the denoise tools many opt to have it removed plus the sensors of today are so much more sensitive than film. One had to grow up in B&W to appreciate grain and blues music.

Your choice to use film or digital and add grain in post.

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Apr 19, 2023 16:17:21   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
ImageCreator wrote:
With the recent update to ACR, Adobe has added an AI Denoise feature. Its easy to use and appears to do a reasonable job. I tried on an obvious noise image shot at ISO 1600 and it worked great.

One negative is that it takes about 15-20 minutes. If you are not using Topaz or some other denoise program, not sure anyone is gonna want to wait that long to process one image. Certainly not me. I'll stick with Topaz.


My PC uses a Nvidia RTX3070 GPU, and with a 24M pixel image, it takes about 6 sec to process.

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Apr 19, 2023 17:01:05   #
fredpnm Loc: Corrales, NM
 
ImageCreator wrote:
With the recent update to ACR, Adobe has added an AI Denoise feature. Its easy to use and appears to do a reasonable job. I tried on an obvious noise image shot at ISO 1600 and it worked great.

One negative is that it takes about 15-20 minutes. If you are not using Topaz or some other denoise program, not sure anyone is gonna want to wait that long to process one image. Certainly not me. I'll stick with Topaz.


If it took 15-20 minutes, you have some serious computer issues that need some attention, especially since you have 16Gb of RAM. I can only guess what the issues might be, but looking at how much available HD space you have, have you cleared caches is a good start. Just how old is your computer, what kind of video card, and its onboard card RAM?

Now you also could be trying to denoise a very large image, say more that 15,000 pixels on the long side...but even that should not take that long to process...

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Apr 20, 2023 05:44:16   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
The video used images that were much too complicated and the magnification was not shown. When testing image editing software photo of a simple color bar, resolution, and grayscale image taken at high ISO to purposely generate noise would be a better less subjective test subject. A magnification of 100% is practical for cleaning an image, but to test deNoise software pixel pics a magnification of 200% would bring out the fineness. Softness would be shown by the resolution bars.

Example: DGK Color Tools High Resolution 8.5x11" Chrome SD Professional Lens Test Chart, Amazon.

I do not subscribe to subscribing... I use Paintshop Pro Ultra 2023 as my base for plugins and Topaz has been my long-standing friend comforting my laziness and resistance to the ultra complication of Adobe Swiss Knife philosophy. I have semi-jokingly said that good Christians love Adobe because they enjoy suffering, and Topaz is sinful because it is too easy.

Topaz plugins are as Schick ad said, "Push Pull Click Click, It is Just That Quick."
http://www.old-time.com/commercials/1940's/Push%20Pull%20Click%20Click.htm

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Apr 20, 2023 06:29:55   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
fredpnm wrote:
If it took 15-20 minutes, you have some serious computer issues that need some attention, especially since you have 16Gb of RAM. I can only guess what the issues might be, but looking at how much available HD space you have, have you cleared caches is a good start. Just how old is your computer, what kind of video card, and its onboard card RAM?

Now you also could be trying to denoise a very large image, say more that 15,000 pixels on the long side...but even that should not take that long to process...
If it took 15-20 minutes, you have some serious co... (show quote)

I have 32 GB Ram and a GPU for gaming on my desktop. Two images at 8000 ISO took 5 min and 10 min respectively. List me as sticking with Topaz for now.

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Apr 20, 2023 06:43:39   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
ImageCreator wrote:
With the recent update to ACR, Adobe has added an AI Denoise feature. Its easy to use and appears to do a reasonable job. I tried on an obvious noise image shot at ISO 1600 and it worked great.

One negative is that it takes about 15-20 minutes. If you are not using Topaz or some other denoise program, not sure anyone is gonna want to wait that long to process one image. Certainly not me. I'll stick with Topaz.


I have an older computer and my new Topaz AI takes an average of seconds to less than a minute.
I suggest you see what is slowing down your computer.

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Apr 20, 2023 06:43:44   #
Gitchigumi Loc: Wake Forest, NC
 
ImageCreator wrote:
With the recent update to ACR, Adobe has added an AI Denoise feature. Its easy to use and appears to do a reasonable job. I tried on an obvious noise image shot at ISO 1600 and it worked great.

One negative is that it takes about 15-20 minutes. If you are not using Topaz or some other denoise program, not sure anyone is gonna want to wait that long to process one image. Certainly not me. I'll stick with Topaz.

I tried the Denoise feature in LR yesterday and it was a good 10 minutes to finish the image. Topaz Denoise, on the other hand, is much, much faster. Adobe will improve the speed, I’m sure.

The name Denoise, though, had me wonder if this was an Adobe product or if it was Topaz, under license to Adobe. Hmmm…

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Apr 20, 2023 06:48:40   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Gitchigumi wrote:
I tried the Denoise feature in LR yesterday and it was a good 10 minutes to finish the image. Topaz Denoise, on the other hand, is much, much faster. Adobe will improve the speed, I’m sure.

The name Denoise, though, had me wonder if this was an Adobe product or if it was Topaz, under license to Adobe. Hmmm…


My denoise AI takes seconds to a minute to complete. And I have an older computer Lenovo ideapad 330S.
I would suggest finding out what is causing your computer to take so long.

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