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Apr 16, 2023 13:19:46   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Verryl wrote:
I was stopped at a traffic light across the street from a freeway exit. There was a guy there begging from each car that was stopped. When the light changed and the string of cars he had just begged from started up, an expensive car driven by an attractive girl slowed down as she passed him. She handed him a Styrofoam food box out the window. As she drove off, he took it and opened the lid to see what she had brought him for lunch.

Just another day at work.

Verryl


People on the corners of freeways were put there. I wouldn't give to them. I'm sure they have to turn over everything the take in, just like the kids that sell magazine subscriptions, and sign you up even if you don't. I'm talking about the individual panhandler. There were plenty in downtown Dallas. If you were downtown at night, they didn't like it because they felt that downtown after dark was theirs.

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Apr 16, 2023 13:53:12   #
neillaubenthal
 
rcarol wrote:
You seem to be under the impression that being an alcoholic is a decision. I’ve never known an alcoholic that wakes up in the morning and says to himself, “My life goal is to be an alcoholic.”


No…but if you know you are an alcoholic, continue drinking, and refuse to acknowledge the addiction and quit drinking…that makes it your fault. I’m all for a helping hand…but one helps those who help themselves.

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Apr 16, 2023 13:55:51   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
I find it strange that the plan of hiring 80,000+ IRS agents is in the works in an effort to ensure that everyone pays their share of taxes when drug dealers and addicts pay no taxes on the sale and purchase of their drugs. Heck, I can't buy a pack of chewing gum without paying taxes on it.

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Apr 16, 2023 13:57:56   #
clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa
 
usnret wrote:
I need some cash so I can catch a bus back home to Florida. That was the unusual request from a lady in the Hy-VEE grocery store parking lot as I was putting groceries in my truck a few hours ago. I noticed most of her front teeth were missing, some ugly lesions on her face and arms and as antsy as a cat on a hot tin roof and sweating profusely. I offered to take her to the bus station and buy her a ticket home just to see if that was really her intention. She insisted that she did not want to waste my time and all she needed was the $80.00 for the ticket. I didn't give her any money. I called Hy-Vee when I got home to let them know that she was canvassing the outskirts of their parking lot. If that was fentanyl usage in all its glory then I just saw first hand how purely evil the devils work can be.
I need some cash so I can catch a bus back home to... (show quote)



What you’ve described is most likely Methamphetamine. A stimulant will cause hyperactivity, sweating and often incoherent speech. The reason for the lesions is the sensation of invisible little insects, meth mites” on the skin. The drug induced sensation causes the users to scratch and dig at their skin. Meth suppresses apatite and since they don’t eat they loose weight. Hygiene is ignored, including brushing teeth which combined with the chemical imbalance causes the teeth to rot out. That’s meth mouth. Since the addiction is so great and the disability so severe the meth addicted resort to begging and theft to pay for the drugs. Often, by taking increasing doses, the meth involved will stay high for up to a week without sleep. When they crash the sleep is so deep that they can’t be aroused. Once they wake up the hunt for a new fix starts immediately. The precursors in producing meth include lithium from batteries, ether, red oxide from match heads and drain cleaner and other toxic and highly toxic and very flammable chemicals. The pseudoephedrine necessary for the process is harvested from cold medicine and is the reason the pharmacies lock up their Sudafed and limit the amount you can buy. Those limits have made it less practical to “cook” the meth locally so the Mexican Cartels have taken over production and profits. Imagine being in places like Portland Oregon or similar cities where the geniuses in charge think all drug possession should be legalized. Makes you wonder.

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Apr 16, 2023 14:06:24   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
SteveR wrote:
In Dallas, especially, people get used to being approached and saying no. One day, at school, I wa approached by a man from a station wagon. Inside was was wife and three children. They were not on a corner panhandling everybody that went by. They came to my school thinking they might find some kind hearted individuals to help them. I was told they need money for some medication. Others had been approached and gave nothing. I have five dollars. The family was obviously in need. I hope that what little I gave them helped.
In Dallas, especially, people get used to being ap... (show quote)

Good for you! About five years ago I started giving money to these folks, especially ones with children, and people standing on entrance ramps to highways.
Will some of the money be used for drugs or alcohol? Probably. But some/most of it will help them in a small way.
As a young person for many years I felt that I was one paycheck away from being homeless.
I don’t know their situation but I do know that one has to be in a very desperate place to resort to asking for money/help. And who am I to judge?

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Apr 16, 2023 14:06:55   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
usnret wrote:
I need some cash so I can catch a bus back home to Florida. That was the unusual request from a lady in the Hy-VEE grocery store parking lot as I was putting groceries in my truck a few hours ago. I noticed most of her front teeth were missing, some ugly lesions on her face and arms and as antsy as a cat on a hot tin roof and sweating profusely. I offered to take her to the bus station and buy her a ticket home just to see if that was really her intention. She insisted that she did not want to waste my time and all she needed was the $80.00 for the ticket. I didn't give her any money. I called Hy-Vee when I got home to let them know that she was canvassing the outskirts of their parking lot. If that was fentanyl usage in all its glory then I just saw first hand how purely evil the devils work can be.
I need some cash so I can catch a bus back home to... (show quote)


I would say meth is her drug of choice. Fentanyl is a depressant and doesn't rot the teeth like meth and make you antsy like meth

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Apr 16, 2023 15:32:38   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Fredrick wrote:
Good for you! About five years ago I started giving money to these folks, especially ones with children, and people standing on entrance ramps to highways.
Will some of the money be used for drugs or alcohol? Probably. But some/most of it will help them in a small way.
As a young person for many years I felt that I was one paycheck away from being homeless.
I don’t know their situation but I do know that one has to be in a very desperate place to resort to asking for money/help. And who am I to judge?
Good for you! About five years ago I started givi... (show quote)


I applaud your compassion. I've never seen anybody on these corners that didn't look like they'd been through a meat grinder. I have no doubt that they need help. I'm just afraid that they're actually being abused. The summer weather in Dallas can be brutal, yet you'll still see them on the corners, day in and day out. I've played golf in that kind of weather and always seek the shade of a tree whenever possible and the water cooler at every other hole to douse a towel for my neck in the extremest of heat.

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Apr 16, 2023 16:04:32   #
rcarol
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
No…but if you know you are an alcoholic, continue drinking, and refuse to acknowledge the addiction and quit drinking…that makes it your fault. I’m all for a helping hand…but one helps those who help themselves.


I’m not going to comment any further, because I don’t want to hijack this post.

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Apr 16, 2023 16:31:25   #
docerz
 
Deciding to try to STOP may be a decision?

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Apr 16, 2023 16:49:20   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
docerz wrote:
Deciding to try to STOP may be a decision?


Do you know any addicts? Have any in the family? Most of the time addicts make that decision when they have no other choice. Many have already lost family, friends and jobs and there is only one choice. Quit of die on the streets. Until they get to that point, however, you'll find, for whatever reason, that the addict will cling to his or her addiction of choice despite the losses that may have been incurred. Some, in the end, would rather live on the street and face loss of everything as well as an early death than give it up. So, do you know anybody or are you just spoutin' off?

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Apr 16, 2023 17:49:04   #
kpmac Loc: Ragley, La
 
Fredrick wrote:
Good for you! About five years ago I started giving money to these folks, especially ones with children, and people standing on entrance ramps to highways.
Will some of the money be used for drugs or alcohol? Probably. But some/most of it will help them in a small way.
As a young person for many years I felt that I was one paycheck away from being homeless.
I don’t know their situation but I do know that one has to be in a very desperate place to resort to asking for money/help. And who am I to judge?
Good for you! About five years ago I started givi... (show quote)


I repeat. Tell them to find a church.

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Apr 16, 2023 17:55:43   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
kpmac wrote:
I repeat. Tell them to find a church.


Show them some love and maybe they'll go WITH you. Tell them to find one on their own and they'll watch you go off into the sunset and say, "the day I see him in Church is the day I go to a different one."

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Apr 16, 2023 18:53:36   #
Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington
 
usnret wrote:
I need some cash so I can catch a bus back home to Florida. That was the unusual request from a lady in the Hy-VEE grocery store parking lot as I was putting groceries in my truck a few hours ago. I noticed most of her front teeth were missing, some ugly lesions on her face and arms and as antsy as a cat on a hot tin roof and sweating profusely. I offered to take her to the bus station and buy her a ticket home just to see if that was really her intention. She insisted that she did not want to waste my time and all she needed was the $80.00 for the ticket. I didn't give her any money. I called Hy-Vee when I got home to let them know that she was canvassing the outskirts of their parking lot. If that was fentanyl usage in all its glory then I just saw first hand how purely evil the devils work can be.
I need some cash so I can catch a bus back home to... (show quote)


That wasn't fentanyl, it was meth. If it were fentanyl they would either be dead from so much use or at the very least comatose. A minor point I suppose but the meth problem is far more prevalent and insidious than that of fentanyl use.

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Apr 16, 2023 19:21:10   #
Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington
 
rlv567 wrote:
I recall some years ago seeing a report about panhandlers in Los Angeles. Some of them make more than we do! When their day is finished, they go down the street to their expensive sports car and drive home to the suburbs!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


I once ran into someone begging for money in the 1970's. Obviously an early adopter of that "profession" way before it became as prevalent as it is today. I was curious so I asked him how much money did he actually make doing this and his answer and I am paraphrasing, "Well, it varies, some days I make more than others depending on the situation and weather". But then he continued "I make about $20,000 per year doing this so it all evens out." Keep in mind this was $20,000 in the 1970's dollars.

Was he telling me the truth? I don't know but he had no reason to lie so I actually believed him. Begging is probably not as lucrative as it was then because there was far less competition but it does make one wonder. It doesn't mean that all people who beg are of that ilk. Too many are poor and homeless not because they are lazy but because of factors that were out of their control such as the lack of affordable housing and jobs that pay at or below minimum wage. Giving those who beg money is not the answer though. Find out the phone number for an agency in your area that can help them deal with whatever is keeping them down and give that to them. If they are just seeking the money then they will not use it but if they are suffering and wanting a way out they at least have the information that can help them out of their hell.

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Apr 16, 2023 19:30:08   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
rcarol wrote:
You seem to be under the impression that being an alcoholic is a decision. I’ve never known an alcoholic that wakes up in the morning and says to himself, “My life goal is to be an alcoholic.”


That decision is completely within one's ability. Some people actually do wake up in the morning and make the decision that they will no longer be an alcoholic. There is a choice and a lot of people choose wrong. I know of what I speak because my daughter who will soon be 42 was an alcoholic in her 20s and made the decision to no longer be one. She had her last drink over 12 years ago!

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