Mass Shooting's and General Gun Violence Today (Page 2): Compare the UK Very few guns. People still killed but stabbed with knives. Killers will use whatever weapon is available.

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Compare the UK
Very few guns. People still killed but stabbed with knives.
Killers will use whatever weapon is available.

One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID

gorgehiker wrote:

Thanks, but your essay would provide no comfort to the families of the four victims of the latest mass shooting in Louisville in my home state. There would have been far more victims if not for the bravery of responding police officers who killed the shooter. One of the nine innocent people injured is a young police officer who graduated from the police academy on March 31 and was shot in the head by a shooter who had more firepower than the brave officer. THIS IS INSANE!

Your right, the shooters are insane.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

Triple G wrote:

I don't see any human benefitting from the use of long guns with large capacity to warrant the availability of them and gun deaths were less with the ban; let's put it back in. There needs to be something done on a nationwide basis with coordination among the states on registration, licensing, training, etc. Doing nothing is not an option.

Every firearm is actually an assault weapon that can also be used in self defense.

Triple G

letmedance wrote:

Every firearm is actually an assault weapon.

Where did I say "assault" weapons. I'm asking that the previous ban be reimplemented.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

Triple G wrote:

Where did I say "assault" weapons. I'm asking that the previous ban be reimplemented.

Why, it seems that it had little if any success.

Huey Driver Loc: Texas

Come to Texas and go wild Boar hunting with dogs where the boars are highly aggrigated and ready to attack anything that moves. You just might rethink about those assault style rifles with high capacity magazines when one charges you.

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

Triple G wrote:

I don't see any human benefitting from the use of long guns with large capacity to warrant the availability of them and gun deaths were less with the ban; let's put it back in. There needs to be something done on a nationwide basis with coordination among the states on registration, licensing, training, etc. Doing nothing is not an option.

First of all a very small percentage of murders are committed with the weapons that most concern you. Secondly, depending on the bias of the reporting did the ban truely work and how accurate is the data when the incidents before, during and after were so few and far between and lastly the last ban grandfathered a rifles previously purchased and short of a confiscatory policy (good luck with that) the most popular sporting rifle in the U.S. is still out there. As I have challenged before, show me one sane, law abiding person who has committed murder.

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

jcboy3 wrote:

Conservatives always say it's the people, not the guns.

Perhaps an AI program can be used to identify those people before they kill, and they can be pre-emptively arrested and thrown in jail.

That’s a great idea! Let’s abdicate our Constitution to a computer with algorithms created by a biased liberal.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Huey Driver wrote:

Like most others I’m tired of the mass shootings and general gun violence in America today. I am pro-gun and have owned guns since I became old enough to legally hunt as a teenager. I’m equally tired of the anti-gunners clamoring each time a shooting occurs “we need more gun laws” and even, “we need to confiscate all guns”. Are the anti-gunner’s so thick between the ears that they really do not understand simple things or do they just not want too? Simple facts like, guns are inanimate objects and can do nothing on their own without some sort of intervention: mostly human. Or, bad people are the problem, not guns.

Let’s look at two cold hard facts. Mass shooters like the woman who recently shot through the glass doors of a school, entered and started shooting is perhaps in many ways typical of most gun violence perpetrators. They either don’t give a tinker’s damn about gun laws or just don’t think about them before they commit a gun crime. They are hell bent on doing their evil: period. Some say we should confiscate all guns: do you seriously believe even if we tried to forcibly remove all guns with more laws, went house to house gestapo style, or by offering a fair monetary buy back this would actually work? In your dreams maybe? It is estimated that there is something like 433.9 million of these inanimate things called firearms in civilian possession in the US. Things that are lifeless and harmless without someone using them. I’m sure the gang bangers, thugs, gang members, dope dealers, radical extremists, etc. would be first to line up to rid themselves of the guns they currently own. What would be created by legislating confiscation of all guns would be an unarmed defenseless population except for the people who shouldn’t own guns in the first place.

Sadly, there is no magic bullet or single unfailing answer to eliminating or at least reducing the number of mass shootings and gun violence. There probably never will be; but we need to take a much more aggressive posture of finding the bad seeds before they develop and commit their evil.

We better start by understanding and sound thinking: rational people will no doubt agree; guns themselves are not the problem but people are. Today’s technology and man power is currently unable to ferret out all the bad folks that have problems and probably never will be; so, we better start using more defensive ideas and quit focusing on the laws we now have that just don’t work so then in frustration we add laws and expecting they will do the job even knowing they won’t. We should start by thinking outside the box more and by putting more effort into defensive ideas and admit what we are doing right now plainly isn’t working and continuing will only provide the same results: almost nothing.

Someone said to me: “but if we could get rid of all of the guns we wouldn’t have all those shootings”. Yep, she’s right: but we’d still have knives, ball bats, axes, bombs and worst of all those mentally challenged people who want to commit evil. Who knows, it might even be worse than today? Let’s not forget what Timothy McVeigh and others have done: without guns?

Will I ever need to carry a gun to protect myself? I hope not. I lived through that scenario in Vietnam. But, if I do ever do need a gun for self-defense or defense of others, I hope our misguided legislators that vote and continue to create gun laws that don’t work at stopping bad people and their evil, are not the reason for my not being able to legally own and carry a gun.

Bad people? We seem to have an abundance of them these days so we need to figure out how to defend ourselves from them and more gun laws just aren’t going to do it.

Like most others I’m tired of the mass shootings a... (show quote)

68% of this is all drug related the rest is a total lack of value for human life due to showing kids from birth all while growing up that murder is 100% acceptable if you do not think the life is worth maintaining and killing for convenience is the answer.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

LoL

Nice word salad!

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Huey Driver wrote:

Like most others I’m tired of the mass shootings and general gun violence in America today. I am pro-gun and have owned guns since I became old enough to legally hunt as a teenager. I’m equally tired of the anti-gunners clamoring each time a shooting occurs “we need more gun laws” and even, “we need to confiscate all guns”. Are the anti-gunner’s so thick between the ears that they really do not understand simple things or do they just not want too? Simple facts like, guns are inanimate objects and can do nothing on their own without some sort of intervention: mostly human. Or, bad people are the problem, not guns.

Let’s look at two cold hard facts. Mass shooters like the woman who recently shot through the glass doors of a school, entered and started shooting is perhaps in many ways typical of most gun violence perpetrators. They either don’t give a tinker’s damn about gun laws or just don’t think about them before they commit a gun crime. They are hell bent on doing their evil: period. Some say we should confiscate all guns: do you seriously believe even if we tried to forcibly remove all guns with more laws, went house to house gestapo style, or by offering a fair monetary buy back this would actually work? In your dreams maybe? It is estimated that there is something like 433.9 million of these inanimate things called firearms in civilian possession in the US. Things that are lifeless and harmless without someone using them. I’m sure the gang bangers, thugs, gang members, dope dealers, radical extremists, etc. would be first to line up to rid themselves of the guns they currently own. What would be created by legislating confiscation of all guns would be an unarmed defenseless population except for the people who shouldn’t own guns in the first place.

Sadly, there is no magic bullet or single unfailing answer to eliminating or at least reducing the number of mass shootings and gun violence. There probably never will be; but we need to take a much more aggressive posture of finding the bad seeds before they develop and commit their evil.

We better start by understanding and sound thinking: rational people will no doubt agree; guns themselves are not the problem but people are. Today’s technology and man power is currently unable to ferret out all the bad folks that have problems and probably never will be; so, we better start using more defensive ideas and quit focusing on the laws we now have that just don’t work so then in frustration we add laws and expecting they will do the job even knowing they won’t. We should start by thinking outside the box more and by putting more effort into defensive ideas and admit what we are doing right now plainly isn’t working and continuing will only provide the same results: almost nothing.

Someone said to me: “but if we could get rid of all of the guns we wouldn’t have all those shootings”. Yep, she’s right: but we’d still have knives, ball bats, axes, bombs and worst of all those mentally challenged people who want to commit evil. Who knows, it might even be worse than today? Let’s not forget what Timothy McVeigh and others have done: without guns?

Will I ever need to carry a gun to protect myself? I hope not. I lived through that scenario in Vietnam. But, if I do ever do need a gun for self-defense or defense of others, I hope our misguided legislators that vote and continue to create gun laws that don’t work at stopping bad people and their evil, are not the reason for my not being able to legally own and carry a gun.

Bad people? We seem to have an abundance of them these days so we need to figure out how to defend ourselves from them and more gun laws just aren’t going to do it.

Like most others I’m tired of the mass shootings a... (show quote)

I completely agree with everything you posted. As for anti gunners I think it is a matter of both, they do not understand simple things AND they do not want to understand them. The Left Wing agenda is to get rid of firearms and the 2nd Amendment right along with the 1st, 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution. Yes they will all say that is not the goal but it definitely is. Their goal is more power and they MUST get rid of these Amendments in order to gain traction toward a 1984 society.

There has always been firearms in America. Magazines such as Life and Look, among others used to have firearms featured in advertisements showing popular actors such as Clark Gable, John Wayne, Jimmy Stuart using firearms for hunting purposes. Shooting is a sport of the Olympics, millions of honest law abiding gun owners use firearms on a daily basis for numerous HONEST shooting sports, plinking informal and formal target shooting, self defense in the home as well as outside of the home, hunting, shooting at clay targets and so on. It is not honest shooters/gun owners that are causing the mass shootings. Yet the Left wants to ever pass even more laws thinking the present laws are not working but MORE anti gun laws will work. Bullshit!!!!! Criminals by definition do not obey gun laws, do not obey any laws. That is a fact. It is already against the law for anybody to take a firearm onto school grounds in America. POS Joe Biden tells us he instigated that law and schools are now Gun Free. But the problem is a mass shooter does not/will never take a look at that law nor any other law and say to him/herself, I can't trespass on school grounds to kill people. My firearm is not allowed there. As a retired LEO I can basically carry a firearm anywhere in America but not in schools, banks or post offices or other government buildings. But that does not stop anyone who wants to commit murder in a school.

I have asked right here on this forum numerous time, Give just one law that will prevent another mass murder, give a law that would have prevented ANY mass murder. Not one person has ever offered a suggestion. How strange the Left Wingers want more laws to prevent more mass shootings and yet nobody can offer up any suggestion of a law that might work. There isn't one and it is not possible.

It is the culture in America that has changed in the past 50 years that needs to be stopped or changed. The Left Wing politicians have done all they could to rid America of religious groups, allowed the 1st Amendment to be put down by militant Left Wing groups who want to silence Conservative speakers on college campuses and other venues, who complain when a Conservative uses the 5th Amendment in court but not when a Left Winger uses that same Amendment in court as lying corrupt Lois Lerner did.

The Left Wing groups have filled our schools and libraries with drag queens, LGBTQ groups as if those groups/people are something special when they are not. It is the oft used situation from the Left who allows the tail to wag the dog over and over to make a point that does not need making. But it has and does create culture change. In the past when a motorist was stopped for a vehicle infraction the stopping LEO would rightfully ask for a license and registration as he is mandated to do due to state law. The motorist would gladly provide evidence of ability to drive and show proper insurance as required. But the Left Wing culture these days shows a completely different type of driver, one who might routinely refuse to even talk to the officer. Sorry folks but America does not need more law breakers but more respect given to those who are first responders.

Mass shootings may continue but it has nothing whatsoever to do with firearms but more about the culture of a Left Wing America, of Left Wingers who want exactly this type of disrespect to take place in order to bring America to its knees.

Dennis

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

gorgehiker wrote:

Thanks, but your essay would provide no comfort to the families of the four victims of the latest mass shooting in Louisville in my home state. There would have been far more victims if not for the bravery of responding police officers who killed the shooter. One of the nine innocent people injured is a young police officer who graduated from the police academy on March 31 and was shot in the head by a shooter who had more firepower than the brave officer. THIS IS INSANE!

Do you really think more anti gun laws will provide a level of comfort to families of the victims? Really??? I suspect it won't help them at all. There are family victims of other mass shootings who get pissed that the Left Wing government wants them to make statements against firearms. Many know it is the shooter who committed the mass murder and not an inanimate object.

Here is the stupidity of your comment. A few years ago a mass shooter went on a rampage in Isla Vista, Ca, a University of California town in the area where I was a deputy sheriff prior to the incident. The anti gunners were out in full force condemning firearms, the sheriff's office for not taking action after the shooter's parents asked them to do a random check to make sure he was OK since they had not heard from him. What everyone forgot is the shooter, BEFORE he went on his shooting rampage, murdered his three roommates by stabbing them to death. Yet nobody ever came out and wanted anything done such as more laws against knives. Now you tell me, WTH is the difference between stabbing three people to death and then going out shooting people from a moving vehicle. Death is death, is it not? Why does nobody get incensed at the use of knives by murderers especially since more people are murdered by the use of knives than ever by the use of the so called Assault TYPE firearms? Why is no action called for to stop the murder using knives?

Dennis

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Triple G wrote:

Where did I say "assault" weapons. I'm asking that the previous ban be reimplemented.

As letmedance has stated that type of ban did not work. Also and pretty important is the fact it was ONLY a ban on the importing of these weapons, NOT on the ownership of these firearms. Everyone who had one could still have one and use it. So tell me what good was the ban?

Dennis

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

letmedance wrote:

Every firearm is actually an assault weapon that can also be used in self defense.

Dennis

Huey Driver Loc: Texas

dennis2146 wrote:

As letmedance has stated that type of ban did not work. Also and pretty important is the fact it was ONLY a ban on the importing of these weapons, NOT on the ownership of these firearms. Everyone who had one could still have one and use it. So tell me what good was the ban?

Dennis

Thanks, I had forgotten that.