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Apr 4, 2023 14:39:38   #
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ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Ricoh, Nikon, Canon, Sony and other camera makers were the only way for people to capture the moment. In 1970 when I was given a Sears/Ricoh camera in High School, very few people carried a camera. Now everybody with a smartphone snaps pictures. Professionals will probably always buy "real cameras" instead of smartphones. They have particular needs and requirements. For most, point and shoot is all that is required to capture the moment.

Are there enough buyers to support an industry that sells to professionals? Perhaps, perhaps not.

Don't get me started on the looming phenomena of AI photography where and idea can produce an image that never happened, like the Pope in a white full-length parka. lol
Ricoh, Nikon, Canon, Sony and other camera makers ... (show quote)

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Apr 4, 2023 14:51:52   #
ELNikkor
 
The Sears/Richoh TLS was the camera my dad gave me at high school graduation. My friend in Florida lost it in a river when his canoe capsized, so he gave me his Leitz tripod to pay me back. On a mcy journey, I stopped in GA where another friend showed me his camera locker. In there, on a shelf, was a (you guessed it!) Sears TLS. He didn't want it so he gave it to me. As far as the AI, too impersonal. I'd rather take photos of scenes I come across, people ask me to take, or ones I previsualize and go out and make happen.

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Apr 4, 2023 15:29:47   #
Don.Y Loc: East Ballina,NSW.,Australia
 

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Apr 4, 2023 15:52:07   #
Royce Moss Loc: Irvine, CA
 
Poppie I was going to write a reply but think you just about said it all.

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Apr 4, 2023 16:04:11   #
Dean37 Loc: Fresno, CA
 
Retired software engineer and do not like the idea of AI.

You do not want a computer to run your life! Just like you do not want digital money. Both will take your freedom and the won't blink an eye, because of the obvious.

AI takes away your options in almost everything. You want an assistant, not a dictator.

Digital money gives the Government 100% control of ALL your money. Garage sales, forget it unless the seller has a computer link to the banking system, because you won't have cash any more. Your neighbor has a table you want to buy, but with digital money, unless the neighbor has a computer link to the banking system you won't have cash any more. No cash allowances for kids. No nothing involving money without the Government having control.

You won't be able buy or sell without the government getting the record of the transaction. Then once they Government has the record of all transactions you will pay taxes on all of them.

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Apr 4, 2023 16:12:48   #
Don.Y Loc: East Ballina,NSW.,Australia
 
Hear Hear.

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Apr 4, 2023 16:49:44   #
Glenn Reiner Loc: Sacramento CA
 
Right on. Great photography

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Apr 4, 2023 17:46:12   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Ricoh, Nikon, Canon, Sony and other camera makers were the only way for people to capture the moment. In 1970 when I was given a Sears/Ricoh camera in High School, very few people carried a camera. Now everybody with a smartphone snaps pictures. Professionals will probably always buy "real cameras" instead of smartphones. They have particular needs and requirements. For most, point and shoot is all that is required to capture the moment.

Are there enough buyers to support an industry that sells to professionals? Perhaps, perhaps not.

Don't get me started on the looming phenomena of AI photography where and idea can produce an image that never happened, like the Pope in a white full-length parka. lol
Ricoh, Nikon, Canon, Sony and other camera makers ... (show quote)


I am sure the old guys from way back when said the same thing about wooden box cameras. Adapt and adjust with technology or be left behind. Look at the leaps in last 10 years from DSLR to mirrorless. I just jumped to mirrorless from DSLR and thought that wouldn't happen two years ago. The clock keeps ticking.

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Apr 4, 2023 18:42:59   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
I am sure the old guys from way back when said the same thing about wooden box cameras. Adapt and adjust with technology or be left behind. Look at the leaps in last 10 years from DSLR to mirrorless. I just jumped to mirrorless from DSLR and thought that wouldn't happen two years ago. The clock keeps ticking.


Agreed, as of about 3 years ago mirrorless finally grew up from a novelty with marginal AF.
Now it exceeds DSLRs, I waited watching to see when it would surpass my DSLR. During that time I put a bit aside regularly so buying the new camera would be cash and whatever else would be needed.
Finally the EVS and AF, the 2 major failures of mirrorless, were resolved in the last few years. Thus it made sense to jump and it was worth the wait.

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Apr 4, 2023 19:19:23   #
Pepsiman Loc: New York City
 
PoppieJ wrote:
"death of an industry" Not soon! Sure the smart phone is all that is required to take a photo and maybe it is all that I really need, but this is my hobby. Maybe I am just a "hobbiest, semi-pro, pro" but I sure didn't get into photography just to see that I only had the least amount of equipment required. Or the "only" equipment that is practical for my skill level, nor did I get in to this hobby/profession to spend everything that I ever made on the newest latest greatest equipment. I got into it because there was something about photography that excited me, that fulfilled a need that I have to express myself. I think that I am not even close to unique in this respect and that between me and all of the others that feel the same way I do in this world that the camera manufactures are, at least for the near future, safe to keep on developing cameras.
"death of an industry" Not soon! Sure t... (show quote)



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Apr 4, 2023 19:24:22   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Ricoh, Nikon, Canon, Sony and other camera makers were the only way for people to capture the moment. In 1970 when I was given a Sears/Ricoh camera in High School, very few people carried a camera. Now everybody with a smartphone snaps pictures. Professionals will probably always buy "real cameras" instead of smartphones. They have particular needs and requirements. For most, point and shoot is all that is required to capture the moment.

Are there enough buyers to support an industry that sells to professionals? Perhaps, perhaps not.

Don't get me started on the looming phenomena of AI photography where and idea can produce an image that never happened, like the Pope in a white full-length parka. lol
Ricoh, Nikon, Canon, Sony and other camera makers ... (show quote)


Amateur radio is an adjunct to the commercial two-way wireless industry somewhat similar to the way that enthusiast-level and artistic photography are related to professional photography. There are also other ways to engage in "non-professional" wireless communication, including the Citizens Radio Service (CB), Family Radio Service (FRS) and other, non-regulated options.

I initially was interested in amateur radio probably 60 years ago, but various interruptions resulted in my not getting licensed until about 30 years later. I currently hold an Amateur Extra class license (the highest level available) as well as a Commercial Radiotelephone License, which I have held for about 50 years.

During this period, CB radio has disappeared, except for usually illegal systems operated by truckers. FRS is still around, but with nowhere the range of equipment choices once available. Amateur radio also survives, but again with a much reduced range of equipment choices.

What is most interesting, though, is that the range of equipment makes and models has dropped dramatically. Motorola, which was the face of the industry for almost its entire history, is a shadow of its former self. And what they do still make is no longer considered the benchmark that it always was. Other historic brands have disappeared entirely.

Model railroading is not directly tied to a "professional" component like photography or two-way radio. It has, however, gone through a transition that is not too different, characterized by loss of choices and drastically increased prices. A model locomotive that cost less than two hours' pay when I entered the workforce as a beginning engineer cost about six hours of my pay when I retired as a manager.

So I strongly caution us against being unconcerned about the impact we are very likely to feel from the loss of the lower end of the camera market.

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Apr 4, 2023 20:47:15   #
DRam11 Loc: Polson, MT
 
billnikon wrote:
When smart phones can do this, I will use one, end of discussion.


Pictuure #1 - WOW!

Not knocking the rest, they are great too. But that first one is stunning.

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Apr 4, 2023 22:56:14   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
billnikon wrote:
When smart phones can do this, I will use one, end of discussion.


It will only be a matter of time...And the clock is ticking faster all the time.

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Apr 5, 2023 00:14:41   #
gwilliams6
 
Today, from PetaPixel:

Gen Z Discovers Modern Digital Cameras are Better Than iPhones:
https://petapixel.com/2023/04/04/gen-z-discovers-modern-digital-cameras-are-better-than-iphones/?mibextid=Zxz2cZ&fbclid=IwAR2S1M8qdOGhdmrbCMRqSElgk3GoZWsIV7LTpP0PA_LGcdANfUhaYHYTQh8

Cheers and best to you.

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Apr 5, 2023 07:53:41   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
billnikon wrote:
When smart phones can do this, I will use one, end of discussion.


I guess we'll be seeing "BILLAPPLE" soon. LOL

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